Academic Fit

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On ESPN News they had Andy Katz on the line discussing Texas' decision not to join the PAC 10.

The anchor asked Katz if by declining an invitation to join the PAC 10 that Texas was firmly committed to staying in the Big "12" and would no longer be considering a move to the SEC or the Big "10".

Katz said he didn't believe Texas was considering either now.

For the SEC Katz said (and I'm paraphrasing) that Texas didn't consider itself part of the southeast and that it didn't think it "fit" academically with the SEC.

For the Big "10" Katz said that Texas thought that was a better fit academically, but that it didn't want to go that far the north were it had weak ties and a small alumni base.

What does "academic fit" mean and what does it have to do with anything? Are they saying that they're fine competing against Wisconsin, but that Kentucky players are too dumb to play football against?

Give me a farking break.
 
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"Academic fit" has to do with AAU schools, research dollars, and admission standards. But truthfully it's all bull. The argument is that Texas, with it's exalted academics and high admission standards would be at a disadvantage in SEC, where on average, admission standards are lower. The argument is that a school entering the league with this perceived disadvantage would soon end up like Vanderbilt (an AAU school with high admission standards). There's just one problem with this argument...the other AAU school in the SEC is FLORIDA! Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they won almost every championship for the last five years?

I get so sick of this "academic fit" argument. Now granted, when you can seek out research dollars as a conference, as in the Big-Ten's case (all AAU schools), all schools end up with a bigger piece of the pie. But the Big-Ten is the only conference that can tout this.

The idea that Texas football would actually lose some of its luster in the SEC, instead of becoming grander than ever, is categorically preposterous.
 
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Looks like this thread is in trouble.. better put out the Hat signal..

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AJeray4TN said:
"Academic fit" has to do with AAU schools, research dollars, and admission standards. But truthfully it's all bull. The argument is that Texas, with it's exalted academics and high admission standards would be at a disadvantage in SEC, where on average, admission standards are lower. The argument is that a school entering the league with this perceived disadvantage would soon end up like Vanderbilt (an AAU school with high admission standards). There's just one problem with this argument...the other AAU school in the SEC is FLORIDA! Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they won almost every championship for the last five years?
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That is total bull, though. The SEC has at least more stringent entrance standards than the PAC-10. See the situation with Jose Jose and Glen Stanley.
 
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How are admission standards different for an AAU school? And how many Big 12 schools are AAU schools?
 
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AJeray4TN said:
"Academic fit" has to do with AAU schools, research dollars, and admission standards. But truthfully it's all bull. The argument is that Texas, with it's exalted academics and high admission standards would be at a disadvantage in SEC, where on average, admission standards are lower. The argument is that a school entering the league with this perceived disadvantage would soon end up like Vanderbilt (an AAU school with high admission standards). There's just one problem with this argument...the other AAU school in the SEC is FLORIDA! Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they won almost every championship for the last five years?

I get so sick of this "academic fit" argument. Now granted, when you can seek out research dollars as a conference, as in the Big-Ten's case (all AAU schools), all schools end up with a bigger piece of the pie. But the Big-Ten is the only conference that can tout this.

The idea that Texas football would actually lose some of its luster in the SEC, instead of becoming grander than ever, is categorically preposterous.
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I heard someone on the radio (can't remember who it was, but it was one of the so called "in the know experts."), and they presented another side of the "academic fit" deal. They stated TX did not want to go into the SEC because the SEC schools took players who could not qualify at TX and feared it would make it tougher on them to compete.
 
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Texas didn't join the Pac 10 b/c A&M would have joined the SEC and they didn't want that to happen. A&M didn't want to go to the Pac 10 so the only way to stop A&M was to stay in the Big 12. Any other excuse is bs.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
Texas didn't join the Pac 10 b/c A&M would have joined the SEC and they didn't want that to happen. A&M didn't want to go to the Pac 10 so the only way to stop A&M was to stay in the Big 12. Any other excuse is bs.
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It's more about why TX would not even consider the SEC. The SEC is where TX supposedly says it is not a good academic fit, and they were stating this before aTm decided to rebel against TX.
 
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TX pretending their football program is somehow a Who's Who of National Merit Finalists amuses me to no end. Do they know that Earl Campbell was a longhorn?
 
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I personally think it's an idiotic statement. The effort a student not a school puts forth has more to do with academics than anything. The state the student was recruited from as well. I know people with masters from Vandy ,although pricey, are making less than some of our state school graduates, actually a lot less just to put things in perspective.
 
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The AAU rating is can be misleading. UAB has the highest rating. We bring in more research dollars than all the other universities in the state combined (yes that includes UA, Auburn, etc.)

However, not all parts of campus have the same standards.
 
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I don't understand what research money has to do with football eligibility.

The issue is whether school A or B admit student athlete X.

I don't follow recruiting real closely, but from what I see Texas has no shortage of getting highly ranked athletes into its program. So why do they need to break out the academic excuse for not playing SEC schools?
 
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BJSforVols said:
Excuse is the key word. It was not a legitimate reason but rather an excuse because they are scared of having to compete in the SEC.
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^^^This^^^

They may end up with the fattest pockets, hard to argue with that... but they will forever be the pansy-arse longhorns that were scared of real competition. Why give up a clear cut shot at the National Championship, when all you have to do is beat Oklahoma once a year, not ever play Nebraska again, and not even have to play in a conference championship game.

Texas was able to preserve their dominance, by growing their brand and increasing revenues... while at the same time stifling their competition and proving once again their unbelievable cowardice.

The one thing this situation proves is that the only thing that is bigger in Texas is the checkbook. The southeast is still, and will forever be the heart and soul of college football.
 
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