After Predicting 8+ Wins in 2013, I'm Still Here

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Before the season began, there were a lot of us who were predicting Tennessee to have an unexpectedly successful run through the schedule as Coach Butch Jones' very first team.

Some said 10+ wins, others were @ 7 wins. Personally, I felt like our Vols could've produced an 8+ win season (based on what I knew then, I still stand behind my opinion).

I'm not a very popular member here on VN. No matter your popularity, if you predicted 8+ wins, you likely heard someone bet that you'd be nowhere around when the season turned out nothing like you predicted.

Not asking to have my nose rubbed in 'it', I'd like to acknowledge my poor prediction and offer an idea on how our Vols could've had a much different, better season.

Unexpected things happened throughout the season, some factors were out of UT's control. Examples of this can be seen in Missouri & Auburn turning in completely unexpected seasons of success.

Even now we can look at the season and see where, with only some small changes, our W/L total could be very different:

- Had Worley started and played decently against the Gators, we may have taken that game.
- Had only 1 play been different in the UGA game, we may have another nice mark in the W column.
- Had our offense capitalized against VU, 1 more W... had the refs followed the rules of the replay overturn process, 1 play would've changed and so would UT's W/L record.
- Had Missouri been the terrible team that was expected in the pre-season we may have another W
- Had Auburn turned in another poor season, as expected, we would have yet another W in the W/L column.

If these things worked in our favor, we would be looking at a much different December in Knoxville...

4-6 + UF W = 5-5
5-5 + UGA W = 6-4
6-4 + Miss W = 7-3
7-3 + AU W = 8-2
8-2 + VU W = 9-1
9-1 + an expected W @ Kentucky = 10-1
10-1...

Even if we remove the Missouri & Auburn W's, our Vols would still be sitting on a 7-3 record and could presumably finish 8-3 & 9-3 w/ a bowl win.

9-3

With the incoming talent of the 2014 recruiting class, we may just be 12 months away from posting a record similar to the one we had the potential to accomplish in the 2013 season.

Many will be quick to point out that we do not have elite talent in 2013, but there are many teams who find success without an overflow of elite talent.

Even though the talent is no where near what we see from our mid-level and top level SEC counterparts, the talent is still much higher than our performance and record indicate.

Our players are talented, they are not simply a bunch of bums we picked up at the Greyhound station as our bus passed the 'The Old City'.

I was high on what I'd learned about CB Jones previous success and I truly felt like he would be capable of adjusting schemes and game plans to maximize the production from the players available on the 2013 roster.

Looking back, I am a bit puzzled as to why our offense wasn't customized to maximize any potential success. I know there are reasons why the schemes weren't adjusted, I don't know what they are.

Running-Backs Neal & Lane, aside from our under-achieving offensive line, carried the most potential to put an identity on our offense. I felt like this could've been maximized by running a more 'pro-style' scheme or even a 'veer' type of offense.

Fugate left the team, but I think it would have been nice to see a set that allowed a blocking full-back to help increase Lane & Neal's production.

Although our TE's are not world-beaters by any stretch, I would've liked to see a 2 tight-end set with an I-form backfield. Featuring a true I-back and a hard-nosed full-back, this offense could have been assembled with our current talent pool and would've provided a great tool to convert some of those 3rd & 1 or 4th & 4 situations.

Before someone points out the fact that we don't have a hard-nosed FB type, I'd like to say that A.J. Johnson would've truly been a beast of a blocking back!

I think a very productive offense could have been fielded by assembling a basic Wing offense, using some counter-traps with Pig Howard, and executed various read option plays.

While I'm at it, I think it would have been awesome to see our Vols take the field with a true-to-form Power/offset I scheme, using either a 1 or 2 TE set.

I think our current talent could've benefited from any of these sets that may have allowed for more success while our coaching staff recruits the players for their specific philosophy.

There may have been a fair amount of success, and excitement, from a Wing formation. Neal & Lane split behind Worley/Peterman/Dobbs/Ferguson, Pig Howard in the Wing position with a Closed TE and Marquez North as the Split/Wide receiver and the potential to add another WR, a 2nd Closed TE, or an Open/split TE would've allowed for a read-option play calling philosophy. Also, I think Brent Brewer could've caused some damage as a blocking Wing-Back or @ FB.

I'd also like to add that I am not suggesting the entire spread-option offense Coach Jones is implementing to be scrapped. I'm not suggesting it should have played a minority role, or less than 80% of the offensive scheme. I'm only suggesting that any number of these sets could've provided some looks that may have afforded our Vols chance to be much more productive with the talent of the current roster.

Like I mentioned earlier, I know there are probably very good reasons why we didn't see anything like this implemented and I do not know what those reasons are. I'm really just speculating, in fantasy-land, on what might have been.

Using your knowledge of the 2013 Vols roster & talent, what offensive sets would you like to have seen implemented?
 
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I won't say I read all of that, but I don't care how many wins you predicted. You want the Big Orange to win just like the majority of posters on here. You're OK in my book.
 
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I won't say I read all of that, but I don't care how many wins you predicted. You want the Big Orange to win just like the majority of posters on here. You're OK in my book.

I'm the youngest of 5 and I'm not married... that's relevant because on holidays, once I leave my parents house, I pretty much have the rest of the day to be a bum...


Today I've been bored and just started typing a little, :biggrin:....

Someone might be bored and make through the whole thread or actually find it interesting enough to finish. I'm just glad that no one's felt narcissistic enough to let everyone know it was too long for them to even read...

I'm with you about the winning! I was just thinking about how I was one of those fans who took for granted the fact that we had been to a bowl game for many consecutive years and how that level of consistant success seems so far away.

Although it's a short walk from the castle to the outhouse, it's the same distance back to the castle. I think, with Butch Jones, we've finally decided to start our trek back to the castle.
 
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"Using your knowledge of the 2013 Vols roster & talent, what offensive sets would you like to have seen implemented?"


A set that actually contained a SEC caliber tight end
 
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Looking back, I am a bit puzzled as to why our offense wasn't customized to maximize any potential success. I know there are reasons why the schemes weren't adjusted, I don't know what they are.

...

Your prediction may have been wrong, but at least you show some wisdom, which is refreshing on VN.:peace2:
 
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I'm the youngest of 5 and I'm not married... that's relevant because on holidays, once I leave my parents house, I pretty much have the rest of the day to be a bum...


Today I've been bored and just started typing a little, :biggrin:....

Someone might be bored and make through the whole thread or actually find it interesting enough to finish. I'm just glad that no one's felt narcissistic enough to let everyone know it was too long for them to even read...

I'm with you about the winning! I was just thinking about how I was one of those fans who took for granted the fact that we had been to a bowl game for many consecutive years and how that level of consistant success seems so far away.

Although it's a short walk from the castle to the outhouse, it's the same distance back to the castle. I think, with Butch Jones, we've finally decided to start our trek back to the castle.
LOL......love it dude but seriously get a girlfriend. I kid I kid happy holidays.
 
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"Using your knowledge of the 2013 Vols roster & talent, what offensive sets would you like to have seen implemented?"


A set that actually contained a SEC caliber tight end

Wolf and Helm are coming in! I saw Wolf at the Vandy game walking in front of me. I'm about 6'3" and he was a good 3 or 4 inches taller than me. He's a huge guy. And don't forget Helm, who's ranked the #1 tight end in the country
 
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AJ and Brent play way too many snaps as is due to lack of depth so I don't see a scenario where they would have filled in as FBs in offense. I also don't see a scenario where Channing Fugate makes a difference in our win loss total. Finally, we don't have a single SEC quality TE so that's probably why you didn't see any 2 TE sets.

If you think we have talent watch the Vandy game again and then go back and watch the 1998 and 2001 games. Those teams had talent!

I predicted 6-6 this season and I'm disappointed we didn't hit that mark. I'm also disappointed in how the team regressed after the USCe game and came out flat against Vandy with it all in the line. I'm also disappointed in our QB production period. We obviously don't have a good QB coach on staff.

All that said, you don't win without elite talent and CBJ is recruiting that, so I still believe in what he's doing.

For those who don't, might as well get used to the idea because we aren't changing coaches any time soon. Financial state of affairs is lousy.

Bottom line, Tennessee football has gone from being a source of pride to one of embarrassment, but I'm not giving up.
 
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Yeah we're a few plays from a much different record; we're also a few plays from 2-9. Plus last year's team was a few plays away from a much better record.

I don't disagree Jones still needs time and that the future looks like it will get better, but the "few plays" has been done to death and on top of that, it works both ways.
 
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Before the season began, there were a lot of us who were predicting Tennessee to have an unexpectedly successful run through the schedule as Coach Butch Jones' very first team.

Some said 10+ wins, others were @ 7 wins. Personally, I felt like our Vols could've produced an 8+ win season (based on what I knew then, I still stand behind my opinion).

I'm not a very popular member here on VN. No matter your popularity, if you predicted 8+ wins, you likely heard someone bet that you'd be nowhere around when the season turned out nothing like you predicted.

Not asking to have my nose rubbed in 'it', I'd like to acknowledge my poor prediction and offer an idea on how our Vols could've had a much different, better season.

Unexpected things happened throughout the season, some factors were out of UT's control. Examples of this can be seen in Missouri & Auburn turning in completely unexpected seasons of success.

Even now we can look at the season and see where, with only some small changes, our W/L total could be very different:

- Had Worley started and played decently against the Gators, we may have taken that game.
- Had only 1 play been different in the UGA game, we may have another nice mark in the W column.
- Had our offense capitalized against VU, 1 more W... had the refs followed the rules of the replay overturn process, 1 play would've changed and so would UT's W/L record.
- Had Missouri been the terrible team that was expected in the pre-season we may have another W
- Had Auburn turned in another poor season, as expected, we would have yet another W in the W/L column.

If these things worked in our favor, we would be looking at a much different December in Knoxville...

4-6 + UF W = 5-5
5-5 + UGA W = 6-4
6-4 + Miss W = 7-3
7-3 + AU W = 8-2
8-2 + VU W = 9-1
9-1 + an expected W @ Kentucky = 10-1
10-1...

Even if we remove the Missouri & Auburn W's, our Vols would still be sitting on a 7-3 record and could presumably finish 8-3 & 9-3 w/ a bowl win.

9-3

With the incoming talent of the 2014 recruiting class, we may just be 12 months away from posting a record similar to the one we had the potential to accomplish in the 2013 season.

Many will be quick to point out that we do not have elite talent in 2013, but there are many teams who find success without an overflow of elite talent.

Even though the talent is no where near what we see from our mid-level and top level SEC counterparts, the talent is still much higher than our performance and record indicate.

Our players are talented, they are not simply a bunch of bums we picked up at the Greyhound station as our bus passed the 'The Old City'.

I was high on what I'd learned about CB Jones previous success and I truly felt like he would be capable of adjusting schemes and game plans to maximize the production from the players available on the 2013 roster.

Looking back, I am a bit puzzled as to why our offense wasn't customized to maximize any potential success. I know there are reasons why the schemes weren't adjusted, I don't know what they are.

Running-Backs Neal & Lane, aside from our under-achieving offensive line, carried the most potential to put an identity on our offense. I felt like this could've been maximized by running a more 'pro-style' scheme or even a 'veer' type of offense.

Fugate left the team, but I think it would have been nice to see a set that allowed a blocking full-back to help increase Lane & Neal's production.

Although our TE's are not world-beaters by any stretch, I would've liked to see a 2 tight-end set with an I-form backfield. Featuring a true I-back and a hard-nosed full-back, this offense could have been assembled with our current talent pool and would've provided a great tool to convert some of those 3rd & 1 or 4th & 4 situations.

Before someone points out the fact that we don't have a hard-nosed FB type, I'd like to say that A.J. Johnson would've truly been a beast of a blocking back!

I think a very productive offense could have been fielded by assembling a basic Wing offense, using some counter-traps with Pig Howard, and executed various read option plays.

While I'm at it, I think it would have been awesome to see our Vols take the field with a true-to-form Power/offset I scheme, using either a 1 or 2 TE set.

I think our current talent could've benefited from any of these sets that may have allowed for more success while our coaching staff recruits the players for their specific philosophy.

There may have been a fair amount of success, and excitement, from a Wing formation. Neal & Lane split behind Worley/Peterman/Dobbs/Ferguson, Pig Howard in the Wing position with a Closed TE and Marquez North as the Split/Wide receiver and the potential to add another WR, a 2nd Closed TE, or an Open/split TE would've allowed for a read-option play calling philosophy. Also, I think Brent Brewer could've caused some damage as a blocking Wing-Back or @ FB.

I'd also like to add that I am not suggesting the entire spread-option offense Coach Jones is implementing to be scrapped. I'm not suggesting it should have played a minority role, or less than 80% of the offensive scheme. I'm only suggesting that any number of these sets could've provided some looks that may have afforded our Vols chance to be much more productive with the talent of the current roster.

Like I mentioned earlier, I know there are probably very good reasons why we didn't see anything like this implemented and I do not know what those reasons are. I'm really just speculating, in fantasy-land, on what might have been.

Using your knowledge of the 2013 Vols roster & talent, what offensive sets would you like to have seen implemented?
you forgot uo witch would make it 10-2


And that's what I predicted!
 
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Before the season began, there were a lot of us who were predicting Tennessee to have an unexpectedly successful run through the schedule as Coach Butch Jones' very first team.

Some said 10+ wins, others were @ 7 wins. Personally, I felt like our Vols could've produced an 8+ win season (based on what I knew then, I still stand behind my opinion).

I'm not a very popular member here on VN. No matter your popularity, if you predicted 8+ wins, you likely heard someone bet that you'd be nowhere around when the season turned out nothing like you predicted.

Not asking to have my nose rubbed in 'it', I'd like to acknowledge my poor prediction and offer an idea on how our Vols could've had a much different, better season.

Unexpected things happened throughout the season, some factors were out of UT's control. Examples of this can be seen in Missouri & Auburn turning in completely unexpected seasons of success.

Even now we can look at the season and see where, with only some small changes, our W/L total could be very different:

- Had Worley started and played decently against the Gators, we may have taken that game.
- Had only 1 play been different in the UGA game, we may have another nice mark in the W column.
- Had our offense capitalized against VU, 1 more W... had the refs followed the rules of the replay overturn process, 1 play would've changed and so would UT's W/L record.
- Had Missouri been the terrible team that was expected in the pre-season we may have another W
- Had Auburn turned in another poor season, as expected, we would have yet another W in the W/L column.

If these things worked in our favor, we would be looking at a much different December in Knoxville...

4-6 + UF W = 5-5
5-5 + UGA W = 6-4
6-4 + Miss W = 7-3
7-3 + AU W = 8-2
8-2 + VU W = 9-1
9-1 + an expected W @ Kentucky = 10-1
10-1...

Even if we remove the Missouri & Auburn W's, our Vols would still be sitting on a 7-3 record and could presumably finish 8-3 & 9-3 w/ a bowl win.

9-3

With the incoming talent of the 2014 recruiting class, we may just be 12 months away from posting a record similar to the one we had the potential to accomplish in the 2013 season.

Many will be quick to point out that we do not have elite talent in 2013, but there are many teams who find success without an overflow of elite talent.

Even though the talent is no where near what we see from our mid-level and top level SEC counterparts, the talent is still much higher than our performance and record indicate.

Our players are talented, they are not simply a bunch of bums we picked up at the Greyhound station as our bus passed the 'The Old City'.

I was high on what I'd learned about CB Jones previous success and I truly felt like he would be capable of adjusting schemes and game plans to maximize the production from the players available on the 2013 roster.

Looking back, I am a bit puzzled as to why our offense wasn't customized to maximize any potential success. I know there are reasons why the schemes weren't adjusted, I don't know what they are.

Running-Backs Neal & Lane, aside from our under-achieving offensive line, carried the most potential to put an identity on our offense. I felt like this could've been maximized by running a more 'pro-style' scheme or even a 'veer' type of offense.

Fugate left the team, but I think it would have been nice to see a set that allowed a blocking full-back to help increase Lane & Neal's production.

Although our TE's are not world-beaters by any stretch, I would've liked to see a 2 tight-end set with an I-form backfield. Featuring a true I-back and a hard-nosed full-back, this offense could have been assembled with our current talent pool and would've provided a great tool to convert some of those 3rd & 1 or 4th & 4 situations.

Before someone points out the fact that we don't have a hard-nosed FB type, I'd like to say that A.J. Johnson would've truly been a beast of a blocking back!

I think a very productive offense could have been fielded by assembling a basic Wing offense, using some counter-traps with Pig Howard, and executed various read option plays.

While I'm at it, I think it would have been awesome to see our Vols take the field with a true-to-form Power/offset I scheme, using either a 1 or 2 TE set.

I think our current talent could've benefited from any of these sets that may have allowed for more success while our coaching staff recruits the players for their specific philosophy.

There may have been a fair amount of success, and excitement, from a Wing formation. Neal & Lane split behind Worley/Peterman/Dobbs/Ferguson, Pig Howard in the Wing position with a Closed TE and Marquez North as the Split/Wide receiver and the potential to add another WR, a 2nd Closed TE, or an Open/split TE would've allowed for a read-option play calling philosophy. Also, I think Brent Brewer could've caused some damage as a blocking Wing-Back or @ FB.

I'd also like to add that I am not suggesting the entire spread-option offense Coach Jones is implementing to be scrapped. I'm not suggesting it should have played a minority role, or less than 80% of the offensive scheme. I'm only suggesting that any number of these sets could've provided some looks that may have afforded our Vols chance to be much more productive with the talent of the current roster.

Like I mentioned earlier, I know there are probably very good reasons why we didn't see anything like this implemented and I do not know what those reasons are. I'm really just speculating, in fantasy-land, on what might have been.

Using your knowledge of the 2013 Vols roster & talent, what offensive sets would you like to have seen implemented?

Would've should've and could've don't win ball games. I think we have played as could be. Most people thought that after we played hard against GA and won against USCjr they we had "arrived" but we hadn't. While that was just the beginning of the slaughter house gauntlet of top 10 teams we had to play this year and or QBs going down and having to start a freshman I almost expected this tk happen.
 
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I like the fact that you point out that one play was the difference in both the Georgia and Vandy games, and that with a decent QB starting against Florida, we likely could have won that too.

We could very easily be 7-4 heading into the Kentucky game, but thanks to two plays and a bad first-half decision, we're 4-7, people are waving their torches and pitchforks, yelling for coaches' heads, and condemning our Vols to at least three more unsuccessful seasons.

I thought we'd go 7-5 or 8-4 this year.
 
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OP,

Read the whole thing. I can't say I was as optimistic as you were about the season, but I can say that you've done a great job taking the time to catalog some the same issues I've had with offensive play calling and the seeming lack of dynamic scheme this season.

Not sure using AJ as a blocking back could have worked, though. Even though some have criticised his ability as a MLB, he was too important in that position (whether or not we want to admit it). I think trying to play both positions would have been too taxing of him physically, and too telling of offensive scheme whenever he took the field.

All in all, you certainly presented some creative ideas, and you I've opened the door to question if this staff is one-dimensional, or are they sacrificing this season (and maybe next) for their scheme and only their scheme. And, if they did choose the latter, was that / is that really the wisest course of action? Because, unlike you, I honestly think next year may only offer a marginal improvement over this year's performance.
 
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If UGAs kicker doesn't hit a 57 yard field goal in the first half, that's probably a W. Oh well, beat UK and lets get this recruiting class in! GBO!!!
 
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With the incoming talent of the 2014 recruiting class, we may just be 12 months away from posting a record similar to the one we had the potential to accomplish in the 2013 season.
what might have been.

Using your knowledge of the 2013 Vols roster & talent, what offensive sets would you like to have seen implemented?

Bartender, I will have what she is having.

Oh and silly rabbit gimmick offenses are for PAC10 teams.
 

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