All AAA rated countries have

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Cuba has socialized medicine as well, what's their rating?
 
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MG1968 said:
Cuba has socialized medicine as well, what's their rating?
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Cash only, no credit??

No one would touch my '$16T give or take a dime' thread.

Quite a bit of that money went to countries with socialized medicine.

As a matter of fact some of that money went to the central bank of Libya, go figga.

Ya think Moamar is going to pay that back after we have bombed the crap out of his country and confiscated $34+ million he had invested in the stock market??

I think not. :no:
 
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VOLatile said:
socialized medicine...

Now that the US of A is AA+.

Just saying...
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Good Pont, why don't you move to one of those countries instead of trying to change this one against the peoples will and Constitution?

Just saying....
 
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VOLatile said:
socialized medicine...

Now that the US of A is AA+.

Just saying...
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The US has a $14 trillion dollar debt with politicians that cannot muster the backbone to even cut the rate of increase in gov't spending to 4%.

THAT is a DIRECT reason for the downgrade. Socialized medicine and the incumbent expense would have only made it much worse... Just saying.
 
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MUR73 said:
Good Pont, why don't you move to one of those countries instead of trying to change this one against the peoples will and Constitution?

Just saying....
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solid logic. "you don't like er, yu can move away darmit!"
 
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KiffinKiller said:
solid logic. "you don't like er, yu can move away darmit!"
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It's akin to a child sitting at the grownup table for Thanksgiving dinner, can't debate the facts so resort to 3rd grade name calling. I notice all of your posts are like this. You offer zero facts/info & instead just throw out little one-liners/zingers if you don't like something. That is, of course, your right but just let me know when you actually come up with some substance.
 
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MUR73 said:
It's akin to a child sitting at the grownup table for Thanksgiving dinner, can't debate the facts so resort to 3rd grade name calling. I notice all of your posts are like this. You offer zero facts/info & instead just throw out little one-liners/zingers if you don't like something. That is, of course, your right but just let me know when you actually come up with some substance.
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Akin to telling someone to move away if they don't like the current state of affairs/disagree with you? Excuse me if I offer a tongue in cheek response.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
solid logic. "you don't like er, yu can move away darmit!"
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That's the thing KK. Why is it that the left insists that we must change to become more like other countries when many of us have no interest in doing that? If it so important to them then they can move. I have a really hard time understanding why some people are so absolutely insistent on imposing their vision on other people even when it violates their constitutional rights.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's the thing KK. Why is it that the left insists that we must change to become more like other countries when many of us have no interest in doing that? If it so important to them then they can move. I have a really hard time understanding why some people are so absolutely insistent on imposing their vision on other people even when it violates their constitutional rights.
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I don't disagree with you - I'm not happy with things right now. Nor do I fundamentally agree with Obama.

Just think that most who want change telling people to leave could take their own advice.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I don't disagree with you - I'm not happy with things right now. Nor do I fundamentally agree with Obama.

Just think that most who want change telling people to leave could take their own advice.
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I do not seek socialism or communism so why would I leave. This country is already watered down enough with those ideas as it is. The founders did not envision that and knew that would only lead to ruin. Plus where would i go?, America is unique.
Those that want a Nanny state , on the other hand, can go to Many parts of Europe and just bathe in the handouts, entitlements and policies that do not encourage the entrepreneurial spirit that made this the greatest country in recorded history but instead let Big Brother take care of you....
I think i would rather stay here and fight for what many before me bled and died to achieve. Self -reliance and helping your neighbor instead of inefficient government doing it for me, That was never intended by the founders. I don't know about you but i don't feel very charitable on tax day but i do when i donate my time and money to my fellow man.
 
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MUR73 said:
I do not seek socialism or communism so why would I leave. This country is already watered down enough with those ideas as it is. The founders did not envision that and knew that would only lead ruin. Plus where would i go?, America is unique.
Those that want a Nanny state , on the other hand, can go to Many parts of Europe and just bathe in the handouts, entitlements and policies that do not encourage the entrepreneurial spirit that made this the greatest country in recorded history but instead let Big Brother take care of you....
I think i would rather stay here and fight for what many before me bled and died to achieve. Self -reliance and helping your neighbor instead of inefficient government doing it for me, That was never intended by the founders. I don't know about you but i don't feel very charitable on tax day but i do when i donate my time and money to my fellow man.
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I agree with you on a number of your points. I just don't think telling people who disagree to move is the greatest way to get the point across.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I don't disagree with you - I'm not happy with things right now. Nor do I fundamentally agree with Obama.

Just think that most who want change telling people to leave could take their own advice.
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I think those of us who want to stay and have any change go back toward the ideals found in our Constitution should be given deference. There are plenty of social democracies in the world. There are no other countries that I am aware of that promote the ideals of individual liberty and rights like the USC does.

The only problem with our country is that those principles have been corrupted over the past 100 years.
 
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So much of the country should move because there are other countries similar to what they want?
 
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KiffinKiller said:
So much of the country should move because there are other countries similar to what they want?
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Should the majority of the country have no place to go because those refuse to go to a place that is already like what they want to change us into?

I would GLADLY support a return to the same level of federalism that existed in 1900 or before. Then we could just move to states that suited us best. My side is NOT the one that insists on imposing their pov on the others.
 
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sjt18 said:
Should the majority of the country have no place to go because those refuse to go to a place that is already like what they want to change us into?

I would GLADLY support a return to the same level of federalism that existed in 1900 or before. Then we could just move to states that suited us best. My side is NOT the one that insists on imposing their pov on the others.
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Aren't both sides guilty of that
 
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sjt18 said:
Should the majority of the country have no place to go because those refuse to go to a place that is already like what they want to change us into?

I would GLADLY support a return to the same level of federalism that existed in 1900 or before. Then we could just move to states that suited us best. My side is NOT the one that insists on imposing their pov on the others.
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Those who don't vote don't have a choice. Which is the majority of the country, IIRC. Both sides insist on imposing their point of view.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Aren't both sides guilty of that
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No. Not really. The use of gov't to effect "social change" has largely been a method of Progressives.

If "my side" had its way... the Federal gov't would not have a reach long enough to impose a pov about social issues on anyone.
 
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VOLatile said:
Those who don't vote don't have a choice. Which is the majority of the country, IIRC. Both sides insist on imposing their point of view.
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If my pov is that the size and scope of gov't should be very limited to assure that they cannot exert control over our lives or fortunes... and someone else believes that gov't should be large and a force for "good"... as they define good of course. Then I guess you could say that I am trying to impose the pov that others should not be able to impose their pov on me... but that's the full extent of it. The reality is that I neither desire the power to impose my pov nor accept the legitimacy of someone else having it.

I have said numerous times that guys like Dobson bother me while guys like Falwell do not as much. Dobson is a statist for the most part. He believes that gov't should be used to push America toward being a more moral nation. By principle, I oppose this completely. Pragmatically... it doesn't work any way.

Falwell got a bad rap but his push was against gov't imposing a contrary pov more so than imposing his pov instead. Like me, he had faith that if his pov could get a fair hearing in the public square it would do just fine without the gov't's help. I don't fear the freedom of other people. I believe pro-big gov't folks do.
 
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