Analysis of TN Defense

[volfan411]

what our Problem is goes further than the players. You have got to be able to change your schemes week in and out . We are the most predictable team in the SEC and That reflects on our Rookie Schemes .I have watched us on Defense have Zero guys in the Middle, and on 3rd and 4 be LineD up 12 yds off the WR's . It looked like we never watched a tape on Auburn. Kinda silly to be "We have a proven system at Cincy" and think for a minute it will work against the best coaches in football here in the SEC.

You are making the point for lack of speed with you statements. We leave the middle open to try and protect the edge with our OLB and then get gashed up the middle but when we protect the middle we get gashed on the edge.

Why would you think we play 12 yards off the ball?

I will tell you why because if we press the receiver runs right by us on the go route for an easy touchdown. So with all that said scheme is easy to blame but it is not always the problem.

 

[Dragon18]

what our Problem is goes further than the players. You have got to be able to change your schemes week in and out . We are the most predictable team in the SEC and That reflects on our Rookie Schemes .I have watched us on Defense have Zero guys in the Middle, and on 3rd and 4 be LineD up 12 yds off the WR's . It looked like we never watched a tape on Auburn. Kinda silly to be "We have a proven system at Cincy" and think for a minute it will work against the best coaches in football here in the SEC.

Geez...You just don't get it my friend. You can't even scheme your way to success when your competition is this much faster. It is problematic on so many levels. Just give it a few years so that the coaches can get SEC caliber speed on defense. It may be true that we don't have the right coaches, but THERE IS NO WAY to know that right now because we are so limited with talent and speed.:hi:

 

[volfan411]

I believe we will see a vast improvement next season. We will still make mistakes due to the youth that will have to play but we will play faster and have the speed to overcome some of the mistakes that currently are being made.

 

[Lexvol]

I still don't understand why the DL has completely disappeared over these last two games.

 

[VolFootballlover]

You are making the point for lack of speed with you statements. We leave the middle open to try and protect the edge with our OLB and then get gashed up the middle but when we protect the middle we get gashed on the edge.

Why would you think we play 12 yards off the ball?

I will tell you why because if we press the receiver runs right by us on the go route for an easy touchdown. So with all that said scheme is easy to blame but it is not always the problem.

you are making the point to make excuses for our coaches. If we played that heavy pressure Defense that loved to Blitz like was said when they come here you would see more TFL/ AND no easy 3rd 4-6 completions. You can say what You Like when you leave any spot on the field wide open you have a scheme problem. It's on the Coaches and for 5 season's you so called fans have Blamed the players. It's the coaches Job to get it done!

 

[Aerie Vol]

I love Brewer and everyone who puts on the Orange and bleeds for our beloved school. However, I hate to say that as I watched the game vs Auburn, it appeared #17 was running through a mud bog while opposing ball carriers zipped by him on their motocross bikes.

As the game progressed, I seriously began to wonder if he was hurt because he couldn't get out of the middle. I saw him 10 yards deep running laterally, but still unable to close down the corner before the Auburn runner could get past him on the edge. Multiple times.

AV

 

[VolFootballlover]

Geez...You just don't get it my friend. You can't even scheme your way to success when your competition is this much faster. It is problematic on so many levels. Just give it a few years so that the coaches can get SEC caliber speed on defense. It may be true that we don't have the right coaches, but THERE IS NO WAY to know that right now because we are so limited with talent and speed.:hi:

I'll tell you what I get ! Winners find a way to win, while Losers find excuses not to! Janek will have to make a huge Jump from where he was at Georgia with SEC speed on Defense

 

[volfan411]

you are making the point to make excuses for our coaches. If we played that heavy pressure Defense that loved to Blitz like was said when they come here you would see more TFL/ AND no easy 3rd 4-6 completions. You can say what You Like when you leave any spot on the field wide open you have a scheme problem. It's on the Coaches and for 5 season's you so called fans have Blamed the players. It's the coaches Job to get it done!

I am not making excuses I am telling you fact. There are players playing on this defense that should not even be on the team. Now that is not their fault as they were recruited here and accepted the offer but in the same sense it is not the current coaches fault as he did not recruit them.

 

[VolFootballlover]

I am not making excuses I am telling you fact. There are players playing on this defense that should not even be on the team. Now that is not their fault as they were recruited here and accepted the offer but in the same sense it is not the current coaches fault as he did not recruit them.

fact is the Coach you are defending couldn't get it done with Georgia's Players either! so say what you may bud. Proofs in the pudding

 

[volfan411]

fact is the Coach you are defending couldn't get it done with Georgia's Players either! so say what you may bud. Proofs in the pudding

I am not defending anyone all I am saying is give him time to get his players in here and if he still cannot get it done then we need to move on.

But you might as well stop the belly aching because there is no way Jones makes any move this season.

And you do realize Jancek was not the DC at Georgia. He was the Co-DC for one season so if you want to look at his record please use schools where he was the sole DC.

 

[BACKDOC]

I am not a football expert, just a fan of football. However, after replaying several plays from the Auburn game and watching the games this season, this is what I've come up with....

1. Cam Sutton is our best cover DB since Janzen Jackson... He has the size and speed and overall athletic ability and timing to be elite and succeed at the new level.. However, he hasn't learned to be good in run support, and has trouble getting off WR blocks, being held, etc.

2. Justin Coleman in an average SEC corner, or slightly below average, and plays decent in coverage... He has decent speed, slightly undersized, and not good at getting off blocks or in run support.... Has minimal chance to make the league....

3. Our safeties are both very slow.... McNeil is slow and plays very dumb..... Randolph is slow but plays smart..... I don't think Randolph has gotten all of his speed back from the ACL year, and I don't think he was exactly a burner before the injury..... I don't think either can make the league bc lack of speed.....

4. Our nickels are small and slow and poor in run support...no names mentioned here...

5. Our outside LB are really bad against the run..... Sapp is excellent against the pass, as he's the best OLB coverage guy since Austin a few years ago, but he's really bad against the run.... Brewer is bad against it all, especially the run.... Brewer cannot get off a block, even a WR block, and that's sad... Brewer is slow, even for a LB. I can't believe he was ever a DB, as he probably runs a 4.8

6. AJ is a step or two slow, but he's having to cover for all 3 LBs on many of these plays, bc the other 2 LB are getting blocked or just can't tackle at all.....AJ is a solid tackler and a good athlete and will play in Sundays....

7. Our DT is a relative strength and our DE are average to slightly below average in the SEC

So what does this all mean??? Well, it's best to do 2 things against us....

1. Spread us out and the Qback can take off up the middle, and when our LB are in the wrong spots I r blocked then the Qback is in the 3rd level of our defense already......

2. Run inside or around the DEs and smoke the OLB, smoke the safety, and hit the accelerator..... In many if theses cases it's just run around the end and beat the safety or nickel and head to the endzone.......

I'm not convinced that coaching can help this for a few reasons... One is because were just very slow in those areas... Two is bc our players just play dumb in those positions... Some things you just can't teach.... If you don't know what I mean then go back and watch tape of Eric Berry filling gaps and destroying people... Those are the kinds of players that we need.....not players who run into the same spot as other defenders and leave a large gap on the sideline....if you guys really think the coaches are that dumb then I don't know what to tell you.....

Don't be surprised to see tons of freshman and jucos and new starters next year, as will have to be the case.....

Fulmer started this whole avalanche of rotten talent, Kiffins poured lighter fluid on it, then Dooley added nuclear waste to it... This will take 3-4 years minimum just to get this program headed back the right direction....

AJ is too slow, but will play in the league; now that makes sense.

 

[VolFootballlover]

I am not defending anyone all I am saying is give him time to get his players in here and if he still cannot get it done then we need to move on.

But you might as well stop the belly aching because there is no way Jones makes any move this season.

And you do realize Jancek was not the DC at Georgia. He was the Co-DC for one season so if you want to look at his record please use schools where he was the sole DC.

I understand He wasn't the DC ,he was Co DC and Had SEC speed and we took a QB that fans Like You hated also (Crompton) and Hung 45 points on Him 4 TD's through the Air! guess they played off as to not get Burned deep huu? His DC is Coaching our CB's this Season ...guess what? It sucks to the High Heavens! we Barley beat Some crappy Teams To start out this train wreck. We was Lucky Georgia was beat up. We was Lucky Palardy kicks for us and Not South Carolina But I would trade DC's with any of them!

 

[VolFootballlover]

But you might as well stop the belly aching because there is no way Jones makes any move this season.

My belly aching doesn't matter a tiny bit! But Those with all those green frog skins(Money) are belly aching too and I can sure you they matter.

 

[utvolpj]

My belly aching doesn't matter a tiny bit! But Those with all those green frog skins(Money) are belly aching too and I can sure you they matter.

unless they're willing to write out checks for millions more (which is highly unlikely) their belly aching means as much as yours

 

[VolFootballlover]

unless they're willing to write out checks for millions more (which is highly unlikely) their belly aching means as much as yours

Don't kid your self it's all about the Money!

 

[VolFootballlover]

Who would have ever thought the Best Special Teams Coach in America would have this Back ground?



THE ELDER FILE
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Education: Case Western Reserve, 2000

COACHING EXPERIENCE
» 2013-present: Tennessee, tight ends
» 2012: Cincinnati, safeties, special teams
» 2011: Cincinnati, running backs
» 2010: Cincinnati, tight ends
» 2007-09: Central Michigan, linebackers
» 2005-06: Michigan, GA, defense
» 2004: Wayne State, defensive coordinator, linebackers
» 2003: Iona, defensive coordinator, linebackers
» 2002: Lehigh, asst. linebackers
» 2000-01: Akron, GA, defensive backs

 

[volfan411]

Went back and looked at Janceks time at Cincinnati and here are the numbers. These are national rankings for total defense:

2009 13th season before Jancek arrived
2010 50th first season as Co-DC
2011 55th second season as Co-DC
2012 34th first season as DC
2013 36th not there but still should get credit for players on roster

These numbers offer a mixed review as when he first arrived there was a big drop off but the defense did improve while he was there.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I still don't understand why the DL has completely disappeared over these last two games.

just guessing:
-worn out? We have no depth there and they have played a lot of snaps against the nations best over the last few weeks
-seems like the DL has started to try and hold up blocks, read, and react, rather than disrupting. I don't know if that's due to the offenses we have played or what, but we are too slow and lack the talent to have time to shed the block after reading the play and make a tackle. By the time we know who has the ball, he's already by our front 4 and sometimes front 7.

 

[volfan411]

just guessing:
-worn out? We have no depth there and they have played a lot of snaps against the nations best over the last few weeks
-seems like the DL has started to try and hold up blocks, read, and react, rather than disrupting. I don't know if that's due to the offenses we have played or what, but we are too slow and lack the talent to have time to shed the block after reading the play and make a tackle. By the time we know who has the ball, he's already by our front 4 and sometimes front 7.

I posted in another thread that I heard yesterday that McCullers is playing close to 60 snaps per game and ideally he would play 30-35.

 

[keckjm]

Who would have ever thought the Best Special Teams Coach in America would have this Back ground?



THE ELDER FILE
PERSONAL INFORMATION
Education: Case Western Reserve, 2000

COACHING EXPERIENCE
» 2013-present: Tennessee, tight ends
» 2012: Cincinnati, safeties, special teams
» 2011: Cincinnati, running backs
» 2010: Cincinnati, tight ends
» 2007-09: Central Michigan, linebackers
» 2005-06: Michigan, GA, defense
» 2004: Wayne State, defensive coordinator, linebackers
» 2003: Iona, defensive coordinator, linebackers
» 2002: Lehigh, asst. linebackers
» 2000-01: Akron, GA, defensive backs

This worries me because it tells me CBJ rather move Elder around then go out and find an assistant that specializes in a position. I love CBJ at the helm, but this isn't a buddy friendly business. He will get himself fired if he refuses down the road to not fire these coaches that's always been with him.

 

[Roustabout]

1. Cam Sutton is our best cover DB since Janzen Jackson... He has the size and speed and overall athletic ability and timing to be elite and succeed at the new level.. However, he hasn't learned to be good in run support, and has trouble getting off WR blocks, being held, etc.

Pretty sure Jackson played Saftey opposite Eric freakin Berry. That will make you look better. Cam is OK. Losing Gray has hurt more than people realize.

2. Justin Coleman in an average SEC corner, or slightly below average, and plays decent in coverage... He has decent speed, slightly undersized, and not good at getting off blocks or in run support.... Has minimal chance to make the league....

I would say no chance. His development is a mystery. This guy was shutting down Hunter and Rodgers in scrimages his Frosh year. Now he can't cover air.

3. Our safeties are both very slow.... McNeil is slow and plays very dumb..... Randolph is slow but plays smart..... I don't think Randolph has gotten all of his speed back from the ACL year, and I don't think he was exactly a burner before the injury..... I don't think either can make the league bc lack of speed.....

Add McNeil to the list of 4star busts that mysteriously lost their ability to run and tackle once they arrived in Knoxville.

4. Our nickels are small and slow and poor in run support...no names mentioned here...

Jaron Toney.

5. Our outside LB are really bad against the run..... Sapp is excellent against the pass, as he's the best OLB coverage guy since Austin a few years ago, but he's really bad against the run.... Brewer is bad against it all, especially the run.... Brewer cannot get off a block, even a WR block, and that's sad... Brewer is slow, even for a LB. I can't believe he was ever a DB, as he probably runs a 4.8

Brewer is just in over his head. Would have been great if he had been groomed at LB from day one.

6. AJ is a step or two slow, but he's having to cover for all 3 LBs on many of these plays, bc the other 2 LB are getting blocked or just can't tackle at all.....AJ is a solid tackler and a good athlete and will play in Sundays....

Exactly. Having Maggitt next to him would have made a world of difference.

7. Our DT is a relative strength and our DE are average to slightly below average in the SEC

This is the only area where there is decent SEC talent at each position. And it isn't hard for teams to scheme around this. Teams like Auburn stretch you.

 

[volroadwarrior]

I am not a football expert, just a fan of football. However, after replaying several plays from the Auburn game and watching the games this season, this is what I've come up with....

1. Cam Sutton is our best cover DB since Janzen Jackson... He has the size and speed and overall athletic ability and timing to be elite and succeed at the new level.. However, he hasn't learned to be good in run support, and has trouble getting off WR blocks, being held, etc.

2. Justin Coleman in an average SEC corner, or slightly below average, and plays decent in coverage... He has decent speed, slightly undersized, and not good at getting off blocks or in run support.... Has minimal chance to make the league....

3. Our safeties are both very slow.... McNeil is slow and plays very dumb..... Randolph is slow but plays smart..... I don't think Randolph has gotten all of his speed back from the ACL year, and I don't think he was exactly a burner before the injury..... I don't think either can make the league bc lack of speed.....

4. Our nickels are small and slow and poor in run support...no names mentioned here...

5. Our outside LB are really bad against the run..... Sapp is excellent against the pass, as he's the best OLB coverage guy since Austin a few years ago, but he's really bad against the run.... Brewer is bad against it all, especially the run.... Brewer cannot get off a block, even a WR block, and that's sad... Brewer is slow, even for a LB. I can't believe he was ever a DB, as he probably runs a 4.8

6. AJ is a step or two slow, but he's having to cover for all 3 LBs on many of these plays, bc the other 2 LB are getting blocked or just can't tackle at all.....AJ is a solid tackler and a good athlete and will play in Sundays....

7. Our DT is a relative strength and our DE are average to slightly below average in the SEC

So what does this all mean??? Well, it's best to do 2 things against us....

1. Spread us out and the Qback can take off up the middle, and when our LB are in the wrong spots I r blocked then the Qback is in the 3rd level of our defense already......

2. Run inside or around the DEs and smoke the OLB, smoke the safety, and hit the accelerator..... In many if theses cases it's just run around the end and beat the safety or nickel and head to the endzone.......

I'm not convinced that coaching can help this for a few reasons... One is because were just very slow in those areas... Two is bc our players just play dumb in those positions... Some things you just can't teach.... If you don't know what I mean then go back and watch tape of Eric Berry filling gaps and destroying people... Those are the kinds of players that we need.....not players who run into the same spot as other defenders and leave a large gap on the sideline....if you guys really think the coaches are that dumb then I don't know what to tell you.....

Don't be surprised to see tons of freshman and jucos and new starters next year, as will have to be the case.....

Fulmer started this whole avalanche of rotten talent, Kiffins poured lighter fluid on it, then Dooley added nuclear waste to it... This will take 3-4 years minimum just to get this program headed back the right direction....

Great analysis. :hi: You are right on with your analysis except the 3 to 4 years to get headed in the right direction. It will take 3 to 4 years to win an SEC championship, but we should be trending that way in the next year or 2.

Lack of speed and the old habits of taking bad angles along with the lack of athletic ability to make tackles when we do get there sums up your thoughts.

 

[VolFootballlover]

Went back and looked at Janceks time at Cincinnati and here are the numbers. These are national rankings for total defense:

2009 13th season before Jancek arrived
2010 50th first season as Co-DC
2011 55th second season as Co-DC
2012 34th first season as DC
2013 36th not there but still should get credit for players on roster

These numbers offer a mixed review as when he first arrived there was a big drop off but the defense did improve while he was there.

True, only thing that is scary about that is the teams They played year in and Year out wouldn't win against a downed Kentucky team!

 

[Sikerth]

It all comes down to lack of speed and talent as we've been saying. Also, did OP have to end every sentence like this.........?

 

[VolFootballlover]

We have 2 weeks to get ready for Vandy! I am afraid after this game many will see Janek isn't a very good game planer and is in way over his head.