Another comparison to be made...

[donsargegolf]

Having done more research into the before/after [ Sanders/Cutcliffe]comparison these are my findings. Remember, all I am doing is presenting "FACTS" of results on the field of competition. No opinion here! Cutcliffe led offenses were 59-14 thru 73 games for an .808% of wins over his last six seasons. Sanders led offenses are 56-20 over 76 games for a .736% over the same time period. Cutcliffe also sported 2 SEC Championships and 1 National Championship. Sanders has 0 SEC Championships and an asterisk by his one game, interim, National Title. Let the discussions begin.

 

[holdemvol]

I don't remember anyone arguing that RS was a better coach than Cut. Could you please direct me to the thread in which anyone stated that?

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 20, 2005 5:48 PM
Having done more research into the before/after [ Sanders/Cutcliffe]comparison these are my findings. Remember, all I am doing is presenting "FACTS" of results on the field of competition. No opinion here!  Cutcliffe led offenses were 59-14 thru 73 games for an .808% of wins over his last six seasons. Sanders led offenses are 56-20 over 76 games for a .736% over the same time period. Cutcliffe also sported 2 SEC Championships and 1 National Championship. Sanders has 0 SEC Championships and an asterisk by his one game, interim, National Title. Let the discussions begin.

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Sarge,

I'm really thankful for your service to our country. All service people are great Americans in my view. So please don't take this the wrong way.

But friend, you've got to get a hobby that doesn't involve Randy Sanders. :banghead:

Now granted, there are a number of gents I'd prefer to see in the OC job on The Hill, but you're beginning to worry me.

What with your weapons training and all, I'm afraid we're all going to be settled into our seats in Neyland one of these days, facing a 3rd and 3 agianst Georgia, trailing by 2 late in the fourth, and Randy's going to slump to the ground and blood will be on the faces of the players behind him.

You're gonna have to take up whistlin' show tunes or something.

Do you fish? I've always found it relaxing.

I tried chess, and I love it, but it's too stressful.
You could try cooking. I'll share some of my recipes. :good:

This is for your own good. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. :ill_h4h:


(it's satire, so don't anyone come at me with a gun control speech)

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by OldVol@Sep 20, 2005 6:01 PM
Sarge,

I'm really thankful for your service to our country. All service people are great Americans in my view. So please don't take this the wrong way.

But friend, you've got to get a hobby that doesn't involve Randy Sanders.  :banghead:

Now granted, there are a number of gents I'd prefer to see in the OC job on The Hill, but you're beginning to worry me.

What with your weapons training and all, I'm afraid we're all going to be settled into our seats in Neyland one of these days, facing a 3rd and 3 agianst Georgia, trailing by 2 late in the fourth, and Randy's going to slump to the ground and blood will be on the faces of the players behind him. 

You're gonna have to take up whistlin' show tunes or something.

Do you fish? I've always found it relaxing.

I tried chess, and I love it, but it's too stressful. 
You could try cooking. I'll share some of my recipes.  :good:

This is for your own good. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.  :ill_h4h:
(it's satire, so don't anyone come at me with a gun control speech)

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That's good, I like it. :wassup:

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by OldVol@Sep 20, 2005 5:01 PM
But friend, you've got to get a hobby that doesn't involve Randy Sanders.  :banghead:

:lolabove: :lolabove:

 

[donsargegolf]

Everyone saye that questioning coaching, playcalling and execution is bandwagon fanship. Quite the contrary, by posting this information, I hope I have helped to expose the "truth" of how far our performances have fallen under the present offensive regime. I personally have no issue with CRS. Professionally, I do.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 21, 2005 11:40 AM
Everyone saye that questioning coaching, playcalling and execution is bandwagon fanship. Quite the contrary, by posting this information, I hope I have helped  to expose the "truth" of how far our performances have fallen under the present offensive regime. I personally have no issue with CRS. Professionally, I do.

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Be sure and read the column available on the board by David Climer. "UTs dreams aren't so Rosey these days". It says it all.

 

[OWB]

Frankly, Sanders often appears to be in over his head in strategic matchups with quality defensive players and schemes. In Gainesville, the Gators had his number. The Vols seem to be getting more and more predictable.

The resulting perception is one that Fulmer disdains: UT recruits great talent but doesn't maximize its potential. It needs superior athletic ability to beat quality opponents.

Hey, if the stereotype fits, wear it.

When you have this much talent on an annual basis, the expectation is your team will play at a championship level.

So much for great expectations. •

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 20, 2005 6:48 PM
Having done more research into the before/after [ Sanders/Cutcliffe]comparison these are my findings. Remember, all I am doing is presenting "FACTS" of results on the field of competition. No opinion here!  Cutcliffe led offenses were 59-14 thru 73 games for an .808% of wins over his last six seasons. Sanders led offenses are 56-20 over 76 games for a .736% over the same time period. Cutcliffe also sported 2 SEC Championships and 1 National Championship. Sanders has 0 SEC Championships and an asterisk by his one game, interim, National Title. Let the discussions begin.

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One of the callers to the Vol network radio show brought this up after the game, and its a great point. Sanders never seems to make any adjustments at halftime when things are not going well offensively.

I think we scored 7 points the second half against UAB and none against FL. Sanders never seems to figure out the opposing defense and how to attack in the second half. In fact usually we play worse on offense.

 

[volbrian]

What I cant figure out is posters like Donsarge. They claim to be Vol fans and they get on here and throw out their opinions as to what the VOLS need to be better.

But I actually believe, folks like him think Mike Hamilton and Phil Fulmer actually meet up to log onto VN and find out what people are saying.

POINT IS: People who post redundant posts believe they can actually bring about change.

It'll never happen, at least, based on what is posted on these forums.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Sep 21, 2005 1:05 PM
What I cant figure out is posters like Donsarge.  They claim to be Vol fans and they get on here and throw out their opinions as to what the VOLS need to be better.

But I actually believe, folks like him think Mike Hamilton and Phil Fulmer actually meet up to log onto VN and find out what people are saying.

POINT IS:  People who post redundant posts believe they can actually bring about change. 

It'll never happen, at least, based on what is posted on these forums.

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From what I have seen in the past, most OC's and assistant coaches lose their job when the Head Coach feels the need to cover his own a$$.

I'm not sure what it will take to get Fulmer to that point. Maybe going 1-3 with a preseason top 5 team does it, I dont know. In the past, Fulmer has been pretty loyal to his assistants. If a move is made I think it will be at the end of the season, and a resignation or a demotion to QB coach will occur.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 21, 2005 12:10 PM
From what I have seen in the past, most OC's and assistant coaches lose their job when the Head Coach feels the need to cover his own a$$.

I'm not sure what it will take to get Fulmer to that point.  Maybe going 1-3 with a preseason top 5 team does it, I dont know.  In the past, Fulmer has been pretty loyal to his assistants.  If a move is made I think it will be at the end of the season, and a resignation or a demotion to QB coach will occur.

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I agree. but posts like Sarges, and a few on other boards, they seem to think they will bring about change by posting the same post a million times.

I guess, when CPF dies one day, they will get some relief in that they will feel they brought about change by posting the same post for a long time.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 21, 2005 11:40 AM
Everyone saye that questioning coaching, playcalling and execution is bandwagon fanship. Quite the contrary, by posting this information, I hope I have helped  to expose the "truth" of how far our performances have fallen under the present offensive regime. I personally have no issue with CRS. Professionally, I do.

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How about a little research on the caliber of players David coached vs. the caliber of players Randy's coached. You seem to want to approach this like the two are playing with chess pieces and that's not the case. You have to take into account the differences in the chess pieces. It's like comparing different eras in the NFL. It can't be done. You can't say that Joe Montana was a better QB than Sammy Baugh just because he completed more passes. There's more to it than that. By the way, I "ditto" the fact that you need to get a hobby.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 21, 2005 10:40 AM
Everyone saye that questioning coaching, playcalling and execution is bandwagon fanship.

Who said that?

I am calling those fans bandwagon when they say UT sucks or try to bring down our program because they are pissing and moaning like a girl after a single loss.

I find it hilarious that you never answered me or Old's posts a few threads back

:dance2:

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 21, 2005 12:01 PM
One of the callers to the Vol network radio show brought this up after the game, and its a great point. Sanders never seems to make any adjustments at halftime when things are not going well offensively. 

I think we scored 7 points the second half against UAB and none against FL.  Sanders never seems to figure out the opposing defense and how to attack in the second half. In fact usually we play worse on offense.

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He don't know how!

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by volbrian@Sep 21, 2005 12:05 PM
What I cant figure out is posters like Donsarge.  They claim to be Vol fans and they get on here and throw out their opinions as to what the VOLS need to be better.

But I actually believe, folks like him think Mike Hamilton and Phil Fulmer actually meet up to log onto VN and find out what people are saying.

POINT IS:  People who post redundant posts believe they can actually bring about change. 

It'll never happen, at least, based on what is posted on these forums.

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I post them in letters to the editor in Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, Knoxville etc. Thanks for your concern though,

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by mikey@Sep 21, 2005 1:16 PM
How about a little research on the caliber of players David coached vs. the caliber of players Randy's coached.  You seem to want to approach this like the two are playing with chess pieces and that's not the case.  You have to take into account the differences in the chess pieces.  It's like comparing different eras in the NFL.  It can't be done.  You can't say that Joe Montana was a better QB than Sammy Baugh just because he completed more passes.  There's more to it than that.  By the way, I "ditto" the fact that you need to get a hobby.

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RS is supposed to be recruiting as well. If the talent is down then he needs to go recruit better than he has. He gets paid for that as well. Duh!!!

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 21, 2005 2:14 PM
I post them in letters to the editor in Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, Knoxville etc. Thanks for your concern though,

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Ohhhhh. So Mike Hamiliton, sitting back at his breakfast nook, reading the Memphis Commercial Appeal, sees a letter to the editor. He drops his spoon into his bowl of Frosted Flakes, runs to the phone, calls Phillip Fulmer and reads the OP/ED to CPF. They both hang up, agreeing that something needs to be done about Sanders.

Yeah. Thats even more believable.

lol: lol: lol:

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Sep 21, 2005 3:16 PM
Ohhhhh.  So Mike Hamiliton, sitting back at his breakfast nook, reading the Memphis Commercial Appeal, sees a letter to the editor.  He drops his spoon into his bowl of Frosted Flakes, runs to the phone, calls Phillip Fulmer and reads the OP/ED to CPF.  They both hang up, agreeing that something needs to be done about Sanders.

Yeah.  Thats even more believable. 

lol:  lol:  lol:

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Two years ago when we lost the GA game in Knoxville, the DONORS received a letter stating that more was expected of the program than what the program was achieving. I saw the letter before the game, and the letter holder did not think it was a hoax. Do not underestimate the power that these ideas represent.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Sep 21, 2005 3:38 PM
Two years ago when we lost the GA game in Knoxville, the DONORS received a letter stating that more was expected of the program than what the program was achieving.  I saw the letter before the game, and the letter holder did not think it was a hoax.  Do not underestimate the power that these ideas represent.

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Oh I do not doubt the power and influence of the REAL UT Board of Regents (the top UT donors). But I have a feeling that these people have a lot more to do than to type the same post on an internet message board, day in and day out.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Sep 21, 2005 3:43 PM
Oh  I do not doubt the power and influence of the REAL UT Board of Regents (the top UT donors).  But I have a feeling that these people have a lot more to do than to type the same post on an internet message board, day in and day out.

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Man if Kiddiedoc and Lawgator have all this time I just don't know. I think the regents may espouse some of these same underachieving ideas. But I do understand your point.

 

[orangetd88]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Sep 21, 2005 3:38 PM
Two years ago when we lost the GA game in Knoxville, the DONORS received a letter stating that more was expected of the program than what the program was achieving.  I saw the letter before the game, and the letter holder did not think it was a hoax.  Do not underestimate the power that these ideas represent.

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So, bascially, what you are saying is some bigwig brought in a letter dogging the current state of the program, and brought to the attention of someone else.

I see that has made a huge difference with all the changes that have taken place since then. LOL

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 21, 2005 2:14 PM
I post them in letters to the editor in Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, Knoxville etc. Thanks for your concern though,

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There was a fire Randy Sanders letter to the editor of today's Tennessean. Was that your's sarge?

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 21, 2005 4:34 PM
So, bascially, what you are saying is some bigwig brought in a letter dogging the current state of the program, and brought to the attention of someone else.

I see that has made a huge difference with all the changes that have taken place since then.  LOL

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For anyone who donates money to the VASF, or another organization at UTK, you know that cash makes the system go around.Case and point was the Buzz Peterson situation. Mike Hamilton and Doug Dickey felt this way and Buzz is gone. If I can educate any donor, in any city or in any paper, in any way I will.Think Jason Swain feels this way after the comments he made this week in the newspaper?He is not the only other player wearing Orange that feels this way either.If the players quit internally Mike Hamilton and Philip Fulmer have a much larger problem on their hands. Root of the problem, not scoring points, why, Randy Sanders. ( read David Climer's article in today's Tennesseean and see what he is telling the VolNation beyond this site)

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Sep 21, 2005 6:07 PM
There was a fire Randy Sanders letter to the editor of today's Tennessean. Was that your's sarge?

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Nope, sorry. I'd sign it though.