Another Lying, Crying Liberal

[NEO]

Muslim congressman weeps at terror hearing - Politics - msnbc.com

Sadly, the man who he uses to convey his sob story and break down into tears over was actually deamed a Hero. The man was even mentioned in the actual Patriot Act Section 102 as follows:

"Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing."

Not exactly being slandered but I guess when you need to cry on the spot and need some example you don't always have time to do actual research on the facts.

 

[volinbham]

He and Boehner would be real downers at a party.

 

[therealUT]

Muslim congressman weeps at terror hearing - Politics - msnbc.com

Sadly, the man who he uses to convey his sob story and break down into tears over was actually deamed a Hero. The man was even mentioned in the actual Patriot Act Section 102 as follows:

"Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing."

Not exactly being slandered but I guess when you need to cry on the spot and need some example you don't always have time to do actual research on the facts.

I imagine you support these McCarthy-ite hearings.

 

[NEO]

I imagine you support these McCarthy-ite hearings.[/QUOT

I support them. Yes.

McCarthy-ite? Seriously?

Your kidding right?

 

[therealUT]

I imagine you support these McCarthy-ite hearings.[/QUOT

I support them. Yes.

McCarthy-ite? Seriously?

Your kidding right?

I am not kidding. If King was interested in having a legitimate hearing on Islamic radicalism and terrorism in the US, he might have invited members from the FBI and DOJ to testify.

This is political grandstanding at its finest.

Of note, there have been 83 incidences which have been classified as terrorism on domestic US soil since 9/11. Only 3 had any connections with Islam.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I imagine you support these McCarthy-ite hearings.

Exactly what it reminded me of... we need more of that. Re-establish the HUAC and expand their powers to include Commies, Muslims and feminists.

 

[JayVols]

Exactly what it reminded me of... we need more of that. Re-establish the HUAC and expand their powers to include Commies, Muslims and feminists.

Given your name, I certainly understand your hatred of the commies.....
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[CSVol]

C'mon guys, cut Neo some slack. King was just doing his job: trying to justify a bloated budget for an inefective goverment department. The DHS is the biggest waste of pork funding since the War on Drugs. And that's a bold statement.

 

[joevol320]

I imagine you support these McCarthy-ite hearings.

you obviously only know the liberal version of the mccarthy era. there were many active communist working in our government at the time. (just as they are now, they're called liberals.)

he was demonized because the left have always been fans of communism.

this needs to be done. you liberals are so out of touch with reality.

 

[utvolpj]

being a communist is a crime?

 

[joevol320]

being a communist is a crime?

it is when you're trying to undermine the constitution and you work the government who supposed to be sworn to protect it.

 

[JayVols]

you obviously only know the liberal version of the mccarthy era. there were many active communist working in our government at the time. (just as they are now, they're called liberals.)

he was demonized because the left have always been fans of communism.

this needs to be done. you liberals are so out of touch with reality.

Joe, I am defending no one by relating this story. I am simply giving an eyewitness account.

In November, I was in Chicago for a National MS Society Convention. While tooling around on Michigan Ave, I ran into a street demonstration of card carrying Lyndon LaRouche commie types. Who were these guys calling for impeachment? Obama. Posters with the Hitler 'stache and all complete with hammer and sickles, too. You want to talk about venom and vitriol, these guys were spewing it. All towards Obama. Now, we all understand that you hate liberals, and I get the feeling (perhaps mistakenly) that you think anyone just a smidge left of you is a liberal and therefore a commie. I know liberals, neocons, and have encountered REAL commies. Liberal does NOT equate the same as a commie. It is your God given right as an American to believe what you want. Others have that same right to believe what they want as well. Your or their views do not supercede anyone elses' views.

Probably wasted 5 minutes, but... I tried.
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[utvolpj]

it is when you're trying to undermine the constitution and you work the government who supposed to be sworn to protect it.

and how did they do this? How many were actually found out?

believing in a different form of gov't is not a crime no matter how much you want it to be

 

[sjt18]

I imagine you support these McCarthy-ite hearings.

So you are saying that there are no mosques in America radicalizing converts and providing feeder stock for homegrown terrorism, right? You are saying this is not a problem now or in the future and that we are not on the same path as France and GB have already trod?

The "McCarthy-ite" claim is nothing more than poisoning the well. There is absolutely NO indication that false info will be accepted without scrutiny, criticism, validation, and balance.

 

[sjt18]

and how did they do this? How many were actually found out?

believing in a different form of gov't is not a crime no matter how much you want it to be

No. But using the cover of religious freedom to commit sedition would seem to be.

 

[utvolpj]

No. But using the cover of religious freedom to commit sedition would seem to be.

but they are singling out one religion as the only culprit. That seem like it's right to you? I might be more on board if they were investigating all homegrown terror groups

if nothing comes out of this other than a few people's names get dragged through the mud will it still have been worth it?

 

[sjt18]

I am not kidding. If King was interested in having a legitimate hearing on Islamic radicalism and terrorism in the US, he might have invited members from the FBI and DOJ to testify.

He may yet do that. Certainly the Dems on the committee have the right to invite witnesses.

I imagine King is like me and does not trust Holder or the highly politicized leadership at the FBI, CIA, or DOJ.

Congress has a responsibility to oversee. It by necessity must maintain some independence with regard to the sources it uses.

Did you think the Dems were wrong when they invited people that Bush wouldn't want to testify about the run up to Iraq? Was that "political grandstanding at its finest"?

 

[sjt18]

but they are singling out one religion as the only culprit. That seem like it's right to you? I might be more on board if they were investigating all homegrown terror groups

It is the only religion that I am aware of with a stated goal of creating a worldwide theocracy ruled by the strictest tenets of its own scriptures (aka Sharia).

Judaism is theocratic but is not evangelistic. Christianity is not theocratic but is evangelistic. Islam is both theocratic AND evangelistic. They, like Christians, believe the whole world should be converted. Unlike Christians, they believe that the use of force and gov't are perfectly legitimate to convert people.

if nothing comes out of this other than a few people's names get dragged through the mud will it still have been worth it?

Yes. It will have demonstrated that we should not be as alarmed as many are right now. A Dem or liberal couldn't pull this off. King can. If he has to step in front of the podium and announce that he has found no pervasive threat then it will benefit us all greatly.

 

[utvolpj]

so are they investigating terrorism or Sharia?

 

[JayVols]

It is the only religion that I am aware of with a stated goal of creating a worldwide theocracy ruled by the strictest tenets of its own scriptures (aka Sharia).

Judaism is theocratic but is not evangelistic. Christianity is not theocratic but is evangelistic. Islam is both theocratic AND evangelistic. They, like Christians, believe the whole world should be converted. Unlike Christians, they believe that the use of force and gov't are perfectly legitimate to convert people.



Yes. It will have demonstrated that we should not be as alarmed as many are right now. A Dem or liberal couldn't pull this off. King can. If he has to step in front of the podium and announce that he has found no pervasive threat then it will benefit us all greatly.

Away from the religion side, just talking terrorism. Justified or not, King conducting the hearings given his past support of the IRA, who engaged in terrorism, casts a troubling shadow over it all. King was not the man to do this. Even if these are constructive, given King's past, the results will be dismissed. It's the glass house effect.
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[CSVol]

Away from the religion side, just talking terrorism. Justified or not, King conducting the hearings given his past support of the IRA, who engaged in terrorism, casts a troubling shadow over it all. King was not the man to do this. Even if these are constructive, given King's past, the results will be dismissed. It's the glass house effect.
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Thank you.

 

[therealUT]

So you are saying that there are no mosques in America radicalizing converts and providing feeder stock for homegrown terrorism, right? You are saying this is not a problem now or in the future and that we are not on the same path as France and GB have already trod?

The "McCarthy-ite" claim is nothing more than poisoning the well. There is absolutely NO indication that false info will be accepted without scrutiny, criticism, validation, and balance.

I am saying that the manner in which these proceedings are taking place is ludicrous. One of King's justifications for having the hearings is that, according to law enforcement personnel he has talked with, 80-85% of American Mosques endorse violence against the US.

Yet, in the hearings, King fails to cite this in any report and decides not to call any federal law enforcement representatives to testify. King is basing this entire council on anecdotal evidence. Therefore, the entire thing is a witch-hunt, ala McCarthyism.

 

[NEO]

so are they investigating terrorism or Sharia?

The two do appear to go hand in hand.

The Muslims who are anti-sharia appear to be much more modernized and open minded.

The Muslims who are for Sharia appear to be the group that is most likely agreeing with the terrorist movement.

I would speculate that 99.9% of all Muslim terrorist agree with and believe in Sharia law.

 

[utvolpj]

their purpose is to

"To back down would be a craven surrender to political correctness and an abdication of what I believe to be the main responsibility of this committee — to protect America from a terrorist attack," King said in his opening remarks.

yet they are not focusing on all possible terrorists. It's a witch hunt by some idiots trying to score political points

 

[JayVols]

The two do appear to go hand in hand.

The Muslims who are anti-sharia appear to be much more modernized and open minded.

The Muslims who are for Sharia appear to be the group that is most likely agreeing with the terrorist movement.

I would speculate that 99.9% of all Muslim terrorist agree with and believe in Sharia law.

Give the Sharia Law followers access to internet porn and they will forget all about partying like it's 1099. Sorry, bored again. I hate missing a week of work....
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