Anybody hear Bobby Bowden...

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winchestervol63

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..at halftime of the Auburn game? He was asked why he thought FSU's defense had faltered in recent years. Said that he thought they'd done a poor job of evaluating talent. Said they'd gotten all of the top-5 classes and such, but that a lot of those 5 stars didn't play like 5 stars. Said the press had just built a lot of them up, but they couldn't really play at that level and the FSU staff didn't do a good job evaluating it. Signed the wrong guys, essentially, even though the classes were highly ranked.

Man, I hate to stir this mess up and sort of hope there isn't a single comment about this. Just thought that input like that from a coach like him is actual information to consider in the debate.
 
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God Bless Bobby and everything he's accomplished but that statement is indicative of how he lost touch with the newer generations of kids and never adjusted with the times.

His bitterness seems to have given him an enhanced understanding of the leveling/sliding of fsu's program.

Plus, Bobby needs daily naps and has a bedtime.

It's ok, he's earned them and it.
 
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Exactly. Evaluating talent is less about the stars and more about potential. That's why I don't understand when people get upset when we are looking at players rated 3's/4's. The coaches know what they want...they don't need rivals/scout/espn to tell them what to look for.
 
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all this garbage has just made it clear they should have fired the old fart years ago.
 
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He also was not prepared to babysit kids who had all the physical ability to star in the NFL and be millionaires but who were lazy and who seemed to be apathetic about their future...
 
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Bowden is famous for throwing his players under the bus. The only person worse about that, IMO, was Fulmer.

Bowden could have handled this gracefully. There could have been a big ceremony, he could be sitting up in the skyboxes with people bowing to him and thanking him for all he's done, all sorts of great things.

Instead, he is a bitter old man, saying out of one side of his mouth that he's not mad, but openly criticizing everything FSU out of the other.

A small part of me likes Bowden and of course as a sports fan I respect what he's accomplished. But another part of me holds the guy in contempt because he's a bit of a scoundrel and has always done a lot of underhanded sh*t along the way and that continues.
 
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i can't believe a fan of a team coached by urban meyer would dare call another coach underhanded and a scroudrel.
 
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Players might have been put under the bus slightly, but I don't see how he is doing anything but accepting a large portion of the blame for weak coaching and sorry recruiting. It's exactly what Fulmer did.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Players might have been put under the bus slightly, but I don't see how he is doing anything but accepting a large portion of the blame for weak coaching and sorry recruiting. It's exactly what Fulmer did.
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Its a backhanded comment though. He's basically laying blame to himself and his staff for not evaluating correctly, but then he basically blames the players for not performing.
 
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Vols N Shocks said:
Its a backhanded comment though. He's basically laying blame to himself and his staff for not evaluating correctly, but then he basically blames the players for not performing.
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I understand why it's throwing the players under the bus, but he's exactly right in his comments and he places the blame on himself and the staff for being lazy. If that's hard on the players, so be it. What's their counter?
 
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There all always misjudgments in scouting, but I don't think that sums up the issues that FSU had in Bowden's last decade.

Florida, Oklahoma, Ohio St., SC, Texas, etc. haven't had that kind of sustained difficulty with their 4 and 5 star recruits. FSU's coaches didn't just "sign the wrong guys." They hauled in tons of talent and continuously failed in their development, preparation, and execution. The problems had more to do with the staff than the roster.

A decline similar to Fulmer's, but a career far more impressive.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Bowden is famous for throwing his players under the bus. The only person worse about that, IMO, was Fulmer.

Bowden could have handled this gracefully. There could have been a big ceremony, he could be sitting up in the skyboxes with people bowing to him and thanking him for all he's done, all sorts of great things.

Instead, he is a bitter old man, saying out of one side of his mouth that he's not mad, but openly criticizing everything FSU out of the other.

A small part of me likes Bowden and of course as a sports fan I respect what he's accomplished. But another part of me holds the guy in contempt because he's a bit of a scoundrel and has always done a lot of underhanded sh*t along the way and that continues.
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Bobby Bowen is Fla. State football. Unlike Fulmer, he built that program from scratch. The old man only wanted one more year and should have done enough to earn it.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Bobby Bowen is Fla. State football. Unlike Fulmer, he built that program from scratch. The old man only wanted one more year and should have done enough to earn it.
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I come from the school of thought that says: 1) With their attendance over the last few years, they really could not afford another season of the infighting and general delapidation in that program; 2) had he said one more year, then next year he'd have said one more year. He had to be fired or go out in a box.
 
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Vols N Shocks said:
I would definitely say that Bowden's problem wasn't evaluating the talent, but developing it.
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He forgot what teams he was playing and showed up late to a game because he forgot what time it started. His assistant coaches were in shouting and shoving matches with another. From all insider accounts, it was bedlam.
 
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I saw this, he mentioned something about being fired early even though he asked not to be, pretty amusing
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Bobby Bowden is a bitter old man. Many people don't realize how bad the program had gotten under his "guidance". Bobby did absolutely zero work for the last 5 years. Mickey Andrews did no recruiting, and ran an outdated man defense. Chuck Amato signed 1 player the last three years and sucker punched Jimbo on an airplane. Jody Allen was a blatant racist with no idea what he was doing, and the running backs coach was so inept midway through last season the O-line coach took over the backs. In addition to that, they had fallen so far behind on an organizational level under his watch. FSU had no nutritionist, an inept S&C coach, difficult scheduling, and pathetic support staff. The kinds of things all the big time schools had done for a decade. It's a testament to Jimbo Fisher and the Florida talent base that they managed to be mediocre.
 
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SandoVOL said:
I saw this, he mentioned something about being fired early even though he asked not to be, pretty amusing
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Reminds me of that line from Michael to Jan.

"You cheated on me? When I specifically asked you not to?"
 
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