Anybody notice how the champions in the NCAA and NFL can defend the RPO?

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Just as we are celebrating improvement in Vol football, as we should and it's merited, we as Vol fans recognize we are not where we want to be. We MAY get there with this staff, time will tell.

There is no doubt Heupel's offense IS effective against most teams. However in case no one noticed, the teams playing for NCAA and NFL titles just this past season all had VERY stout defenses. All have had successful answers for the "running QB" and RPO, think not? How else explain Bryce Young's poor performance against UGA in the title game? How else is Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen two of the very best in the world at it watching others playing in the Superbowl?

So before we start building statues to Heupel and his vaunted offense just like the side saddle single wing, the T, the wishbone, the veer, the run and shoot, and all the other offenses before it eventually the defense catches up and that has happened to the RPO and the "running QB."

So if future Vol fortunes in football are predicated on an awesome RPO type and a "hopefully I have the ball in my hands at the end" offense, along with a meh defense it does not bode well for us in the future. What say you?
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure where the running QB thing is coming from. Bryce Young ran for a total of 0 yards last year.
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Granted after compiling losses from sacks he may have had zero yards rushing on the season or few if at all. He's there to pass first no doubt. But the first time they played UGA, he broke their back with 3 attempts for 40 yards. UGA turned that around for -43 in the NC game, a -83 yard turn around. He had ten attempts against us for 42 yards. He is a very effective runner when needed it seems. However in this past title game UGA schemed him and his RPO and it was finito for the Tide.

Bryce Young Game by Game Stats and Performance | ESPN
 
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Remy said:
Just as we are celebrating improvement in Vol football, as we should and it's merited, we as Vol fans recognize we are not where we want to be. We MAY get there with this staff, time will tell.

There is no doubt Heupel's offense IS effective against most teams. However in case no one noticed, the teams playing for NCAA and NFL titles just this past season all had VERY stout defenses. All have had successful answers for the "running QB" and RPO, think not? How else explain Bryce Young's poor performance against UGA in the title game? How else is Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen two of the very best in the world at it watching others playing in the Superbowl?

So before we start building statues to Heupel and his vaunted offense just like the side saddle single wing, the T, the wishbone, the veer, the run and shoot, and all the other offenses before it eventually the defense catches up and that has happened to the RPO and the "running QB."

So if future Vol fortunes in football are predicated on an awesome RPO type and a "hopefully I have the ball in my hands at the end" offense, along with a meh defense it does not bode well for us in the future. What say you?
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Rather simplistic don’t ya think?
 
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ftsandersvol said:
Given his performance in the CFP Championship, it appears Young owes his Heisman to Metchie and Williams.
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I agree. The Tide lost a lot of their offensive production in Metchie and Williams missing but don't discount turning Young's 3 rushes for 40 yards at key points in their first 2021 meeting with UGA turning that around to -43 rushing in their second meeting as well.
 
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vol66 said:
Rather simplistic don’t ya think?
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Everybody's entitled to their opinion. I look at things at the macro level before burrowing down into the micro world often and it's served me well through the years. This admittedly is a macro view.
 
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Remy said:
Everybody's entitled to their opinion. I look at things at the macro level before burrowing down into the micro world often and it's served me well through the years. This admittedly is a macro view.
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Triple option is triple option? Based on reads? But maybe it was a called run, a called pass made to look like an RPO?

Just question’s.

GBO!!!
 
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All and sundry have known for some time now that our Defense is not on par with our new Offense.
I'm pretty sure our coaching staff is aware of the inequity and will work diligently to bring our defense up to speed.
"Cogito Ergo Vol"
 
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So you saying defense wins championships??

Brice young was limited because his top 2 wide receivers, and possibly college footballs top 2 receivers, were injured and on the sidelines. Alabama could not stretch the field. Geoergia was a great defense but they only had to play 15 yards from the ball for 31/2 quarters.
 
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It's a cycle, offenses innovate, defenses adjust and catch up, it's happened numerous times in my almost 4 decades of watching. Anybody that ever tells you one side or one system has a permanent advantage is an idiot.
 
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fishheadspin said:
So you saying defense wins championships??

Brice young was limited because his top 2 wide receivers, and possibly college footballs top 2 receivers, were injured and on the sidelines. Alabama could not stretch the field. Geoergia was a great defense but they only had to play 15 yards from the ball for 31/2 quarters.
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Georgia's defense would certainly have been better if Adam Anderson and Tykee Smith could have played also. Don't give aid and comfort to Bammer excuses. They lost, I love seeing them cope with it so poorly. It's just a taste of their glorious fall back to Earth post-Saban.
 
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Remy said:
Just as we are celebrating improvement in Vol football, as we should and it's merited, we as Vol fans recognize we are not where we want to be. We MAY get there with this staff, time will tell.

There is no doubt Heupel's offense IS effective against most teams. However in case no one noticed, the teams playing for NCAA and NFL titles just this past season all had VERY stout defenses. All have had successful answers for the "running QB" and RPO, think not? How else explain Bryce Young's poor performance against UGA in the title game? How else is Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen two of the very best in the world at it watching others playing in the Superbowl?

So before we start building statues to Heupel and his vaunted offense just like the side saddle single wing, the T, the wishbone, the veer, the run and shoot, and all the other offenses before it eventually the defense catches up and that has happened to the RPO and the "running QB."

So if future Vol fortunes in football are predicated on an awesome RPO type and a "hopefully I have the ball in my hands at the end" offense, along with a meh defense it does not bode well for us in the future. What say you?
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Those teams also had very stout offenses. You can not win in any sport if you can not score. Our defense was not very good, but it was better than expected. We had a lot of tackles for losses but we were very short on defensive personnel behind the defensive line. We were not very deep in any of the LB Safety, or DB positions and these players had to play at lest 65% of each game. We gave up a lot of points on long plays where the opposing offenses were able to take advantage of our inability to cover the slant, QB draws up the middle, and mistakes in the secondary. Some for these plays were caused because of our lack of consistent pass rush and lack of depth at almost every position. We won 7 games with offense. We broke almost every offensive records with a team that was gave up almost record numbers of yardage and points. The defense will be better this Fall and the offense will also be in position to break more school records. We won our games because of our offense and will do that again this year.
Would I like to have defenses like we hs back in the 90s. Sure, but those defenses gave up a lot of points and cost us a lot of games. Those defenses had no clue about how to stop Florida's offense and we lost a lot of big games when we scored 35 points or more.
 
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It’s easier to play defense when the opponents two biggest playmakers on the outside aren’t in the game. Bama moved the ball well, they just couldn’t punch it it when they got in the red zone
 
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The Bengals didn't make the super bowl because of their defense. Their defense is okay, but not a top tier D in the league. Mahomes got too cute in the AFCCG and it finally cost him.

I've read multiple posts from people here claiming we have to have a running QB in because any team worth a damn in all of football has one. Anyone notice the 2 teams in the SB don't have scrambling type QBs?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
The Bengals didn't make the super bowl because of their defense. Their defense is okay, but not a top tier D in the league. Mahomes got too cute in the AFCCG and it finally cost him.

I've read multiple posts from people here claiming we have to have a running QB in because any team worth a damn in all of football has one. Anyone notice the 2 teams in the SB don't have scrambling type QBs?
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Football is absolutely an offensive-oriented game now, and it is because the powers that be want it that way. That doesn't mean that defense doesn't matter but I do think that the balance has flipped. In the 90s, in order to win titles, I think you needed to have a great defense and your offense couldn't be terrible. Today, in order to win titles, I think you need to have a great offense and your defense can't be terrible.

Defensive coordinators themselves, especially in college, openly talk about how they aren't even necessarily trying to stop opposing offenses gaining yards between the 20s. Instead they talk about stuff like creating turnovers, playing good defense in the red zone, and eliminating plays of over 20+ yards.
 
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wmcovol said:
It’s easier to play defense when the opponents two biggest playmakers on the outside aren’t in the game. Bama moved the ball well, they just couldn’t punch it it when they got in the red zone
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To split hairs, Metchie was more the redzone threat, along with Slade and Latu. For instance, in the SECCG, when it was 2nd- or 3rd- and intermediate, those guys were called on to keep the drive going. The death shots came by way of Jameson Willaims. In the CFPCG, Bama was forced to rely on a couple talented youngsters, Ja'Corey Brooks and Agiye Hall. But Bama without Williams was like an army without it's cavalry. While they were sometimes able to get open deep, they weren't able to finish plays. Resulted in a lot of field goals. So yes, UGA had a much easier time defending a Bama without deep-threat Williams. Had he stayed in the game, the result may have been different.
 
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I member when we couldn’t score against UNC-Charlotte…so give me time to build up angst
 
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