apparently we arent the only ones

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jakez4ut

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i saw this on cnnsi.com....pretty interesting....it's a virtual who's who of college football's best....

i think the bottom line in all of these discipline issues is that the players are at time going to do dumb things....which makes them no different than the rest of us, other than the fact that thier mistakes make headlines....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi.../content.1.html
 
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Wasn't Rouse kicked out of FSU for stealing Lorenzo Booker's TV?
 
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not sure...at this point it doesn't matter...FSU, Miami, Auburn, GA, FL, TN, OK, VT etc....all dismissing players i think says a lot about the state of CFB today....

remember, these kids have been doing stupid stuff like this for a long, long time....the difference now and say 20 or even 10 years ago, you didn't hear about the minor stuff like you do today...the media outlets are so numerous now, there's virtually no where to hide any transgression....and not that that's necessarily a bad thing, just a sign of the times....and coaches and AD's and players are going to have to deal with it.
 
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Pat Forde's ESPN.com column touches on this issue today. It's quality writing.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 3 said:
Pat Forde's ESPN.com column touches on this issue today. It's quality writing.
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yep...very interesting indeed..especially where he points out that maybe the universities don't want to know....which was probably the case in the pre internet age. see no evil, hear no evil speak no evil.

but nowadays, the table has turned....the informaiton flow is so great and so fast now, that universites and the coaches are finding stuff out after the news does in some cases. which always makes the coach or university look bad. at that point the only thing the coach can do is act fast, swiftly. Which is why i think you see a change in CPF...oops sorry, TCHFCAUTK...in how decisive he was in the two recent incidents....dont' know if the penalties necessarily match the crimes, and that's not the point really, it's how decisive he was in making those two decisions. Same with Stoops and Coker. Stoops looks like a coach that is very strict and honorable to the university....which is fine, and what he'll need to do. Same for Coker. Unfortunately for TCHFCAUTK he looks to be playing catch up. Smith is dismissed after his first alcohol related incident....but as recent at 03 Colquit was involved in 3 separate alcohol related incidents before finally being "dealt" with.

Oh well, at this point, all he can do is continue to be decisive....i honestly don't know how you can be proactive and prevent each incident from happening, not just at UT, but anywhere.
 
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(jakez4ut @ Aug 3 said:
yep...very interesting indeed..especially where he points out that maybe the universities don't want to know....which was probably the case in the pre internet age. see no evil, hear no evil speak no evil.

but nowadays, the table has turned....the informaiton flow is so great and so fast now, that universites and the coaches are finding stuff out after the news does in some cases. which always makes the coach or university look bad. at that point the only thing the coach can do is act fast, swiftly. Which is why i think you see a change in CPF...oops sorry, TCHFCAUTK...in how decisive he was in the two recent incidents....dont' know if the penalties necessarily match the crimes, and that's not the point really, it's how decisive he was in making those two decisions. Same with Stoops and Coker. Stoops looks like a coach that is very strict and honorable to the university....which is fine, and what he'll need to do. Same for Coker. Unfortunately for TCHFCAUTK he looks to be playing catch up. Smith is dismissed after his first alcohol related incident....but as recent at 03 Colquit was involved in 3 separate alcohol related incidents before finally being "dealt" with.

Oh well, at this point, all he can do is continue to be decisive....i honestly don't know how you can be proactive and prevent each incident from happening, not just at UT, but anywhere.
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If you notice, this is one issue that I haven't hammered TCHFCATUTK on too severely. I know I would run one of the all time loosest ships in the history of D-I if I were a head coach. College students are going to do dumb things. It's a fact of life. The easy thing for a coach to do is be fugazi tough guy and dismiss the player from the team. The hard, and I think correct, course of action is to work with the student athlete.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 3 said:
If you notice, this is one issue that I haven't hammered TCHFCATUTK on too severely. I know I would run one of the all time loosest ships in the history of D-I if I were a head coach. College students are going to do dumb things. It's a fact of life. The easy thing for a coach to do is be fugazi tough guy and dismiss the player from the team. The hard, and I think correct, course of action is to work with the student athlete.
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well stated.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 3 said:
If you notice, this is one issue that I haven't hammered TCHFCATUTK on too severely. I know I would run one of the all time loosest ships in the history of D-I if I were a head coach. College students are going to do dumb things. It's a fact of life. The easy thing for a coach to do is be fugazi tough guy and dismiss the player from the team. The hard, and I think correct, course of action is to work with the student athlete.
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While I agree with you, and actually espouse a theory that some football players have to be antisocial, or crazy to do some of the things that they do. You cannot always expect their violence to be controlled.

It is all well and good when you keep it in the program, but when they start turning up in the police station and the court system, it is hard to ignore issues or keep discipline internal. This is part of the price we are paying for ESPN, sports columnists, and reporters that want to break news. You hear older athletes talk about this paradigm shift all the time. Sports writers used to be an extension of the team.

Heck, 20 years ago, those cops would have taken Johnson and or Smith directly to the coach, and let him deal with it. Those days are long gone.
 
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(Lexvol @ Aug 3 said:
While I agree with you, and actually espouse a theory that some football players have to be antisocial, or crazy to do some of the things that they do. You cannot always expect their violence to be controlled.

It is all well and good when you keep it in the program, but when they start turning up in the police station and the court system, it is hard to ignore issues or keep discipline internal. This is part of the price we are paying for ESPN, sports columnists, and reporters that want to break news. You hear older athletes talk about this paradigm shift all the time. Sports writers used to be an extension of the team.

Heck, 20 years ago, those cops would have taken Johnson and or Smith directly to the coach, and let him deal with it. Those days are long gone.
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Another very good point.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 3 said:
If you notice, this is one issue that I haven't hammered TCHFCATUTK on too severely. I know I would run one of the all time loosest ships in the history of D-I if I were a head coach. College students are going to do dumb things. It's a fact of life. The easy thing for a coach to do is be fugazi tough guy and dismiss the player from the team. The hard, and I think correct, course of action is to work with the student athlete.
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And step number one is to enforce the rules. Step number two is to do it when it is unpopular.

Including now. Especially now.
 
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Years ago fighting was no big deal, today if you hit someone you get in big trouble. A perfect example is the article that was on this site just the other day about the old codger who works at the Vol cafeteria blowing off about the football player who opened up a can of whup ass on a basketball player there in the mess hall many years ago. I just wonder what his displinary actions were?
 
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