Apparently We Were "This Close" To Also Getting...

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I have no idea what goes on behind CIA and Military type intelligence (so let me get that out of the way on the front), but why would we go public that we have picked up the trail on the new #1 and #2 targets?

A man would think you would proclaim you found nothing/not mention much with killing OBL other than the satisfaction of it being done. Im not sure they (the rest of the terrorist community) would totally buy that, but Im not sure i would want them to know Im close either.

Am I missing something?
 
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The strike was conducted by the U.S. military, but the operation—like the bin Laden raid—appears to have benefitted from close cooperation between the Department of Defense, the CIA and Yemeni officials.
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Interesting, the bin Laden raid "benefitted" from cooperation between our Dod and Yemeni officials. Good job, Yemen.

Margaret Coker should learn how to write.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I have no idea what goes on behind CIA and Military type intelligence (so let me get that out of the way on the front), but why would we go public that we have picked up the trail on the new #1 and #2 targets?

A man would think you would proclaim you found nothing/not mention much with killing OBL other than the satisfaction of it being done. Im not sure they (the rest of the terrorist community) would totally buy that, but Im not sure i would want them to know Im close either.

Am I missing something?
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Killing bin Laden and striking at al-Awlaki sends a clear signal to every terrorist organization in SW Asia and the Middle East. I suspect that this "failed" operation will result in al-Awlaki, and many others, "going to ground". It is hard to plan, coordinate, and resource sophisticated attacks from that position.
 
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therealUT said:
Killing bin Laden and striking at al-Awlaki sends a clear signal to every terrorist organization in SW Asia and the Middle East. I suspect that this "failed" operation will result in al-Awlaki, and many others, "going to ground". It is hard to plan, coordinate, and resource sophisticated attacks from that position.
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Im not talking about the drone strike against Awlaki as much as grandstanding about all the info OBL provided. Im sure the next couple of months most of these rascals will lay low, just don't understand the other part of it.

Only thing I can personally equate it to is rabbit huntin'. After I've got the first one in the bag, I want the rest to feel safe and not find a hole. May be a bad example, but its about all my simple mind can muster.:hi:
 
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You can bet one thing.... His piece of trash ass is running like hell.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not talking about the drone strike against Awlaki as much as grandstanding about all the info OBL provided. Im sure the next couple of months most of these rascals will lay low, just don't understand the other part of it.

Only thing I can personally equate it to is rabbit huntin'. After I've got the first one in the bag, I want the rest to feel safe and not find a hole. May be a bad example, but its about all my simple mind can muster.:hi:
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The grandstanding really does not matter. They are all going to ground regardless of whether or not we say we retrieved a wealth of information.

The information will be extremely helpful in seeing how their patterns develop. As for actionable intel, I cannot imagine that it would be all that great, as OBL was definitely at the strategic level of this thing and probably had little to no actual involvement even at the operation level, much less the tactical level of AQ.
 
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therealUT said:
The grandstanding really does not matter. They are all going to ground regardless of whether or not we say we retrieved a wealth of information.

The information will be extremely helpful in seeing how their patterns develop. As for actionable intel, I cannot imagine that it would be all that great, as OBL was definitely at the strategic level of this thing and probably had little to no actual involvement even at the operation level, much less the tactical level of AQ.
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:hi:
 
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I hope he has his head on a swivel the rest of his miserable life. Another day of this oxygen thief on earth is too long.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I have no idea what goes on behind CIA and Military type intelligence (so let me get that out of the way on the front), but why would we go public that we have picked up the trail on the new #1 and #2 targets?

A man would think you would proclaim you found nothing/not mention much with killing OBL other than the satisfaction of it being done. Im not sure they (the rest of the terrorist community) would totally buy that, but Im not sure i would want them to know Im close either.

Am I missing something?
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Being retired MI I used to hate it when we let info like this out but I understand the logic.
1) We have to control the message.
2) Something blew up and probably a lot of people saw it happen.
3) If we let them speak first they'll say we blew up a bunch of baby seals or what ever they think will trigger the biggest public outcry
4) Revealing a small amount of the truth allows us to get ahead of the message and tells the rest of the world we're still on the job.
 
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Anyone have an issue with the government targeting a U.S. citizen for assassination?

Is this Constitutionally okay? (regardless of administration)

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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depends on what and where for me. If he's in Afgan fighting against our troops does he really consider himself an American? Should we?

Do it in the US and the police will round you up and put you in jail. Do it in a foreign country and leave it up to soldiers/Marines with real guns.
 
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he U.S. launched a drone strike in Yemen on Thursday aimed at killing Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born radical cleric suspected of orchestrating terrorist attacks in the U.S, but he evaded the missile, Yemeni and U.S. officials said.
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I wonder about the Constitutionality of this.
 
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volinbham said:
I wonder about the Constitutionality of this.
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It's well into the gray area, for sure. I'm all for whacking him, but you do bring up a valid point. I get slightly concerned in the "well, we're only doing it this time because...." slope.
 
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milohimself said:
Would it legally constitute treason?
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I think even with treason there is due process.

This seems to clearly violate the due process aspect of our Constitution.

Wonder where the ACLU stands on this one?

(Google here I come).
 
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the ACLU position

ACLU Argues President Does Not Have Unchecked Authority to Kill You Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union

Interesting:

In that brief, the Justice Department asserted, among other things, that the president’s targeted killing authority is a “political question” that should not be subject to judicial review. It also invoked the state secrets privilege, arguing that litigating the case would threaten national security. Essentially, the Obama administration asserts the courts should play no role in establishing and enforcing the rules under which the president can kill American citizens whom it unilaterally determines to pose a threat.
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Clearly the last statement is the ACLU interpretation of the Admin's response but damn.
 
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I'm pretty sure he would be subject to the death penalty under the espionage act, but you're right, he is afforded due process. If any attempt is made on him, it needs to be with the sincere intent of his capture. IMO any situation like this, the target needs to be taken alive if at all reasonably possible, regardless of citizenship.
 
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I have no issues with taking the bastage out. I can see where there may be some issues.

Would advocating the destruction of the US while hiding in another country constitute renouncing one's citizenship? I don't know. I would like to hear the thoughts of other posters.


Dang, bham, you came up with a tough one here. Never really thought abt it. Kudos to you, sir.
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My gripe is the ACLU abandoning his rights because Obama says it's OK.

This type of response is the only one from our govt that scares me. "uniformly" means exactly dick to me.
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