Are we numb?

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TXA&M07

TXA&M07

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Due to the NCAA coming down on so many:

SC with Reggie Bush, among other things.
Tennessee basketball, football.
Auburn and Cam Newton
Oregon football
Texas Tech and Baylor basketball.
LSU football.
Ohio State Football.

The list goes on and on.

Are we now numb as a fan base of college sports due to the steroid era in baseball and the "cheating" in the NFL, be it the Patriots in spy gate, the occasional steroid or drug use/dwi of players ect...?

Do we rely on college athletics so much now for purity purposes that we allow ourselves to over look these sanctions and simply proclaim, "Well, that college athletics." If so, how far removed we are from the days of the SWC when it was just as rampant and just as arrogant.

We're all a little dirty, but do we really care anymore. The consensus tends to lead me believe that the NCAA is such a farce, we just let go like water under the bridge.

How did we reach this point, and is it "fixable"?
 
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Futhermore, I'll take a shot across the bow of SEC honks and say, regarding these types of issues, as many of them pertain to recruiting, it makes me a skeptic at times regarding our move to the conference. Not to stir the pot, but...

Let's get that out of the way now and stay on point because I'm sure that crap is gonna come up with some honks.

Btw, I'm still down with the SECede movement, just concerned.
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TXVOL07 said:
Due to the NCAA coming down on so many:

SC with Reggie Bush, among other things.
Tennessee basketball, football.
Auburn and Cam Newton
Oregon football
Texas Tech and Baylor basketball.
LSU football.
Ohio State Football.

The list goes on and on.

Are we now numb as a fan base of college sports due to the steroid era in baseball and the "cheating" in the NFL, be it the Patriots in spy gate, the occasional steroid or drug use/dwi of players ect...?

Do we rely on college athletics so much now for purity purposes that we allow ourselves to over look these sanctions and simply proclaim, "Well, that college athletics." If so, how far removed we are from the days of the SWC when it was just as rampant and just as arrogant.

We're all a little dirty, but do we really care anymore. The consensus tends to lead me believe that the NCAA is such a farce, we just let go like water under the bridge.

How did we reach this point, and is it "fixable"?
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I have to disagree on the "we're all a little dirty" comment. I think there are many schools (most) that are trying very hard to make sure things are done right, and above board. Boosters are hard to keep a handle on. But there are also so many rules and regulations that are hard to even understand.

There are schools out there having violation issues for things that people didnt know were violations. Some of the things at O$U would have been very minor if they were reported when they were discovered.

I have not followed UT sports long enough, or close enough to know ALL of the problems that went on here with basketball, but I know that Pearl had a history of issues before he got here and should have been watched closer. Kiffin was a lunatic (certified) and should have never been hired. But I think as a whole, the UT program TRIES to do what is right.

I have had the opportunity to help steer a couple kids to Big Ten and SEC athletic programs. If the schools involved had not schooled me on what I can say/do as a booster/coach, I could have VERY EASILY slipped and had minor violations for those schools. It is just so easy. But schools are trying. There is just so many things that can go wrong, and they cannot be everywhere.

ALSO, tNCAA is cracking down harder, but the death penalty and TV bans will probably never happen again. Bowl bans. Scholly limitations, and probably a max penalty of having an entire recruiting year blown away is what we are looking at now.
 
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Bill, if you're a Florida guy, I hate to tell you this cause it seems like you don't know, but your program is dirty too.
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I'll add that ignorance on the part of boosters is irrelevant to this conversation. See Govenor Clemens for more details.
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Every program is dirty to one degree or another. It is just a matter of who covers up their dirty deeds the best.

So maybe I am numb.
 
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I'm not holier than thou, but if we're cheating, I expect better results. The National Championship contenders in the last year are cheaters. We played in the Cotton Bowl against apparent cheaters. Where's my glass football? Do I get one after TCU?

I think not.

Sherman has run a good ship thus far, but as a fan of all college athletics, it'll make you nervous. Are you numb to it is the question.
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Are you willing to win and cheat while doing so, or does it matter anymore? It seems like it does not.

There's my point.
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TXVOL07 said:
Are you willing to win and cheat while doing so, or does it matter anymore? It seems like it does not.

There's my point.
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No, I'm not willing to win at any cost, and yes, I think it still matters.

I'm feeling a bit numb from all the revelations, though. It's like being numb when the doctor gives you bad news. Doesn't mean that you don't care; you're just overwhelmed.
 
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There's a bigger incentive to cheat and win than to run and clean program and hope for the best results, just ask Chizik. The guy just got a big raise and an interesting new clause in his contract. I'm not saying Chizik is guilty but I would certainly understand it if he did. The interesting thing about college football is that only the winning teams are often investigated for cheating.

Cheating happens everywhere and more times than not it is rewarded. The best example is steroids in baseball. Juice up and get a nice 3-5 year contract worth about 30-50 million. There is always a bigger incentive when you cheat.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Bill, if you're a Florida guy, I hate to tell you this cause it seems like you don't know, but your program is dirty too.
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There are a certain amount of problems everywhere, especially when it comes to the behavior of 18-23 year olds that think they are gods gift to sports.

There are also a certain amount of problems with outsiders,( ie:boosters, aau coaches) that have to be controlled everywhere.

If a program is actively trying to keep those types of elements, they are not dirty. If a program is sweeping issues under the rug, or turning their heads to them, they are dirty.

If programs like Florida, or Michigan State, two teams that I follow very closely, are actively pursuing issues, and actively educating boosters, and making 100% effort to comply with NCAA regs, they are not dirty. Florida, Michigan State, Not dirty.

Everyone has issues to take care of, but if they are actively trying to avoid those issues, and reporting them correctly when they happen, they are not dirty.

Since Florida tossed Pell and Hall out of the program, their compliance department has been top notch. Are they perfect. No. Are they dirty. No

I know Im talking to the wrong crowd, and you all want to rip me to shreds right now, but I will deal with that later I guess.
 
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It's not about who cheats...it's about who does the most serious cheating, and more importantly, who is the best at covering it up.
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The Vest did a fine job of keeping things under wraps for nearly a decade. Maybe longer. In the end though, we brushed it aside and chuckled at the down fall. We'll do the same with your coach MaehlMan. We'll do the same with the rest of them, when not more that 4 decades ago, we would have been outraged and wanted to torch the program.

It just seems like we almost expect them to cheat now, and morally, we dont care anymore.
 
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It depends.

If we have a kid run through the T and feel the gameday atmosphere or whatever, and we get him, I'll do it. I think it's a dumb rule, and it's only a minor violation.

Paying a kid $250K? No, I'm not down for that.
 
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zjcvols said:
It depends.

If we have a kid run through the T and feel the gameday atmosphere or whatever, and we get him, I'll do it. I think it's a dumb rule, and it's only a minor violation.

Paying a kid $250K? No, I'm not down for that.
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Im not far from agreeing with you. But the dumb rules are there because of dummies that take advantage of loopholes in the real rules. It sucks, but I think sometimes you have to just stick by the dumb rules so you have a little forgiveness if you ever make a bigger (though still minor) mistake.
 
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Difference between boosters being boosters and an administration hiring an obvious dumb slimeball like chip kelly. One is hard to control, the other just gives the middle finger to the ncaa.
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