Arizona St.'s Bowl Situation is Crazy

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Arizona State says NCAA denied waiver for bowl bid - ESPN

Interesting issue with Arizona St being denied their bowl exemption request. If they truly couldn't schedule another FBS team to replace St. Jose St., that's a tough pill to swallow for them.

At the end of the day, if you win the games you are supposed to, I guess it doesn't matter. At the same time, they are having a tough time filling up bowl spots this year with eligible teams, so why not give these kids the extra practices, the game, etc.?

What do you think.....should Arizona St. have been granted the exemption? Would your answer be different if it were UT in the same situation?
 
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PMC2726 said:
Arizona State says NCAA denied waiver for bowl bid - ESPN

Interesting issue with Arizona St being denied their bowl exemption request. If they truly couldn't schedule another FBS team to replace St. Jose St., that's a tough pill to swallow for them.

At the end of the day, if you win the games you are supposed to, I guess it doesn't matter. At the same time, they are having a tough time filling up bowl spots this year with eligible teams, so why not give these kids the extra practices, the game, etc.?

What do you think.....should Arizona St. have been granted the exemption? Would your answer be different if it were UT in the same situation?
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1. There are 35 bowls games and 70 bowl-eligible teams. To give ASU bowl-eligibility would mean leaving out a team that actually qualified for a bowl.

2. ASU didn't play San Jose St and even if they had it wouldn't have mattered as San Jose St is a FBS school. ASU's 2 FCS opponents were Portland St and Northern Arizona.

3. ASU admin knew what they were getting into when they decided to schedule 2 FCS schools. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
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Its not like the 2 FCS schools rule was a new rule. They knew it going in, they knew it when they had to schedule the Portland St. They rolled the dice and it crapped out. They could have always stole a Div 1 opponent from another school but didnt. Live and learn.
 
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I never really understood why FBS schools schedule FCS schools....it's only going to hurt them in the long run.(Michigan, Ole miss, VT) if the so called "big" schools want and easy win then they need to call on the LA techs and the Akrons of the FBS to do the easy win thing.
 
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spudvol said:
1. There are 35 bowls games and 70 bowl-eligible teams. To give ASU bowl-eligibility would mean leaving out a team that actually qualified for a bowl. Agreed, although as I understand it, there are BARELY 70 bowl eligible teams this year and at one point a couple weeks ago (before the games shaked out), it looked like there might not be enough.

2. ASU didn't play San Jose St and even if they had it wouldn't have mattered as San Jose St is a FBS school. ASU's 2 FCS opponents were Portland St and Northern Arizona. I think that's the point. ASU was scheduled to play San Jose St. and they backed out (the article makes it sound like at the last minute) and ASU was left with "no choice?" but to schedule another FCS school.

3. ASU admin knew what they were getting into when they decided to schedule 2 FCS schools. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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I don't know that that's the case about "deciding" to schedule an FCS school. Of course, it may be the case. :)
 
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spudvol said:
1. There are 35 bowls games and 70 bowl-eligible teams. To give ASU bowl-eligibility would mean leaving out a team that actually qualified for a bowl.

2. ASU didn't play San Jose St and even if they had it wouldn't have mattered as San Jose St is a FBS school. ASU's 2 FCS opponents were Portland St and Northern Arizona.

3. ASU admin knew what they were getting into when they decided to schedule 2 FCS schools. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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Why wouldn't it matter anyways if they played San Jose St?
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They don't deserve squat. The bowl system is a joke as is, but I think any team that schedules 2 FCS teams should automatically be disqualified from bowl eligibility.
 
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First of all, that "last-minute cancellation" by San Jose State happened nearly a year before the 2010 game date. ASU negotiated with 30 other teams to try and schedule a game but failed to get it done. ASU has no one to blame but themselves.

Secondly, if ASU gets a waiver, some other team gets left out. Obviously it will be a 6-6 team, and most likely a 6-6 team with 5 FBS wins and 1 FCS win (fewer quality wins). Who do we know that fits those criteria? Oh yeah, the Vols. How would you feel if Tennessee gets bumped to make room for ASU? Why do you assume that fans of other teams that might get bumped care less about their teams than we do about ours?

The bar to qualify for one of the way-too-many-bowls is incredibly low. ASU didn't meet those standards so they should stay home.
 
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in their four "real" wins ... how many were against top 25 opponents... is there some way to compare the strongest 6-6 teams to see who gets in a bowl, specifically a 2fcs schedule against a 1 fcs schedule... does the bcs ranking go that low? (to teams out of the top 25)
 
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No .500 team should get a bowl in my book. A bowl should be a reward for a winning season.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Even though that would bite us this year, I agree.

I don't think you should be able to count FCS games, either.
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While I agree for the most part, there is a bit of validity on playing them. The school receives a heafty little paycheck for the very remote possibility of winning. The money goes directly to the schools unlike it would be if Div 1 gave a chunk of money to Div 1-aa thru the NCAA because just like any single entity ie the government, they get a little piece of the action and its not always distributed equitibly. Also, this is voluntary. You dont have to play a Div 1aa school.

The negative is that it really hurts your strength of schedule. It hurt Arz St this year, it hurt Aub in 04. You got to make that decision if its worth it when you schedule the game.
 
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GreveHaller said:
While I agree for the most part, there is a bit of validity on playing them. The school receives a heafty little paycheck for the very remote possibility of winning. The money goes directly to the schools unlike it would be if Div 1 gave a chunk of money to Div 1-aa thru the NCAA because just like any single entity ie the government, they get a little piece of the action and its not always distributed equitibly. Also, this is voluntary. You dont have to play a Div 1aa school.

The negative is that it really hurts your strength of schedule. It hurt Arz St this year, it hurt Aub in 04. You got to make that decision if its worth it when you schedule the game.
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That's all well and good for the small schools, but I'm tired of teams like Virginia Tech loading creampuffs on their OOC schedule when they play in a terrible conference. Tech plays one every single year.

Granted, they lost to JMU this year, but they shouldn't have. Still a pathetic schedule.
 
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