Article on KnoxViews Says Knoxville Traffic Cams Step Toward Communism

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loss of what freedom? driving a vehicle is a privilege, not a right. I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that traffic light cameras will lead to cameras in our bedrooms.
 
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Exactly right MG1968. Cameras are in a public area. What are the politicians afraid of? Running red lights and being on camera their girlfriends on a Friday night while their wives are at home.
 
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Well, I'll say this. I lived in another state prior to my return to Tn. I have NEVER seen so many people run red-lights as I have seen in Tn.

Any half-good police officer could deplete a ticket book any morning in Tn.
 
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Arclight said:
Well, I'll say this. I lived in another state prior to my return to Tn. I have NEVER seen so many people run red-lights as I have seen in Tn.

Any half-good police officer could deplete a ticket book any morning in Tn.
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Go live in Phoenix for a while. AZ is routinely at the top of the list in citations and fatalities. It's an absolute mess but there are cameras everywhere. The good news is the cameras reduced crashes by 26% since 2001 so it does work.
 
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utvolpj said:
Go live in Phoenix for a while. AZ is routinely at the top of the list in citations and fatalities. It's an absolute mess but there are cameras everywhere. The good news is the cameras reduced crashes by 26% since 2001 so it does work.
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They had them in Europe in '68. I starred in one picture.
 
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utvolpj said:
Go live in Phoenix for a while. AZ is routinely at the top of the list in citations and fatalities. It's an absolute mess but there are cameras everywhere. The good news is the cameras reduced crashes by 26% since 2001 so it does work.
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i agree phoenix and st petersburg FLA the drivers are horrid.
 
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Volitics said:
An article on the KnoxViews dot com web site has a discussion about Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam's traffic cameras.
Traffic Cameras are Knox Republican Party's Tribute to a Police State | KnoxViews

The discussion thread has some interesting observations regarding loss of freedoms.
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i used to live in toledo ohio, the cameras didn't work there. there were actually a increase of accidents from people locking there breaks afraid they were going to get a ticket and getting rearended instead. they are money makers for the city that is it, plain and simple. alot like seat belts, just another way to take your money.
 
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The communism in Knox county is the fact that commissioners /sheriff etc who should have been out of office long ago get to pick their replacements.
 
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utvolpj said:
Go live in Phoenix for a while. AZ is routinely at the top of the list in citations and fatalities. It's an absolute mess but there are cameras everywhere. The good news is the cameras reduced crashes by 26% since 2001 so it does work.
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That's not what the "Fatality Analysis Reporting System" (which is published by the U.S. Department of Transportation) says.
FARS Web-Based Encyclopedia

According to a column heading entitled "Fatalities Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled" from the above link traffic fatalities in Arizona have decreased during the period 2001 to 2005 from 2.07 to only 2.01 deaths per one million vehicle miles traveled - far from the 26% your post claims.

In fact, traffic fatalities actually increased in Arizona for the year 2002 - the next year after you say the traffic cameras were installed.

Look at the same chart for the state of Tennessee. Tennessee's traffic fatalities have decreased from 2.23 to 1.89 deaths per one million vehicle miles traveled (for the time period 1994 through 2005 - which is the time period covered by the table).

Traffic fatalities have been decreasing in all states due to improved vehicle safety features - even in areas where no cameras exist. From just briefly looking at the chart all fifty states had decreases in traffic fatalities per one million vehicle miles traveled from 1994 through 2005.

Much of the decrease can be attributed to improved safety features in cars. Increasingly more powerful computers have enabled auto manufacturers to make safer cars. In the year 2005 cars were much more safe than the 1994 models.

No, traffic cameras have not decreased the traffic fatalities in Arizona. Due to people slamming on their brakes causing rear end crashes the traffic cameras have probably made crashes worse.
 
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DAVOL said:
The communism in Knox county is the fact that commissioners /sheriff etc who should have been out of office long ago get to pick their replacements.
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Hang on; you’re not for a socialist agenda?

The Politburo consistently chose their replacements and now you are against it in Knox County?

What is the world coming too?

:eek:hmy:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Hang on; you’re not for a socialist agenda?

The Politburo consistently chose their replacements and now you are against it in KnoxCounty?

What is the world coming too?

:eek:hmy:
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See unlike you I live in Knox county and I do not care for the good ole boy politics that abound.:good!:
 
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Volitics said:
That's not what the "Fatality Analysis Reporting System" (which is published by the U.S. Department of Transportation) says.
FARS Web-Based Encyclopedia

According to a column heading entitled "Fatalities Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled" from the above link traffic fatalities in Arizona have decreased during the period 2001 to 2005 from 2.07 to only 2.01 deaths per one million vehicle miles traveled - far from the 26% your post claims.

In fact, traffic fatalities actually increased in Arizona for the year 2002 - the next year after you say the traffic cameras were installed.

Look at the same chart for the state of Tennessee. Tennessee's traffic fatalities have decreased from 2.23 to 1.89 deaths per one million vehicle miles traveled (for the time period 1994 through 2005 - which is the time period covered by the table).

Traffic fatalities have been decreasing in all states due to improved vehicle safety features - even in areas where no cameras exist. From just briefly looking at the chart all fifty states had decreases in traffic fatalities per one million vehicle miles traveled from 1994 through 2005.

Much of the decrease can be attributed to improved safety features in cars. Increasingly more powerful computers have enabled auto manufacturers to make safer cars. In the year 2005 cars were much more safe than the 1994 models.

No, traffic cameras have not decreased the traffic fatalities in Arizona. Due to people slamming on their brakes causing rear end crashes the traffic cameras have probably made crashes worse.
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i'm not so sure of this. i know on the 101 they have camera's that give you tickets for speeding now. it seemed like everyday somebody was killed on that road, but i disagree they are doing it for our saftey. it is just a good means to get somemore money out of us. it is also funny out in arizona the illegals are the safe drivers because they are afraid of gettting pulled over.:)
 
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Volitics said:
That's not what the "Fatality Analysis Reporting System" (which is published by the U.S. Department of Transportation) says.
FARS Web-Based Encyclopedia

According to a column heading entitled "Fatalities Rate per 100 Million Vehicle Miles Traveled" from the above link traffic fatalities in Arizona have decreased during the period 2001 to 2005 from 2.07 to only 2.01 deaths per one million vehicle miles traveled - far from the 26% your post claims.

In fact, traffic fatalities actually increased in Arizona for the year 2002 - the next year after you say the traffic cameras were installed.

Look at the same chart for the state of Tennessee. Tennessee's traffic fatalities have decreased from 2.23 to 1.89 deaths per one million vehicle miles traveled (for the time period 1994 through 2005 - which is the time period covered by the table).

Traffic fatalities have been decreasing in all states due to improved vehicle safety features - even in areas where no cameras exist. From just briefly looking at the chart all fifty states had decreases in traffic fatalities per one million vehicle miles traveled from 1994 through 2005.

Much of the decrease can be attributed to improved safety features in cars. Increasingly more powerful computers have enabled auto manufacturers to make safer cars. In the year 2005 cars were much more safe than the 1994 models.

No, traffic cameras have not decreased the traffic fatalities in Arizona. Due to people slamming on their brakes causing rear end crashes the traffic cameras have probably made crashes worse.
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While I may have quoted some information I found quickly on the internet, traffic fatalities do not equal red-light running fatalities. A wreck on I-10 cannot be included for red lights. From 2001-2003 red light running crashes at intersections with cameras installed decreased by 26%.

The National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running - The Latest News

Arizona leads the nation in red light running crashes and fatalities. According to a land-
mark study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, Phoenix recorded over
twice as many red light running fatalities than any other U.S. city from 1992 to 1998.
In 2005, over 8,349 crashes which killed 80 people and injured over 7,494 were caused when a driver disregarded a red light or stop sign.

Arizona State University researchers recently analyzed the Scottsdale, AZ red light camera program. Data reviewed from 14 red light camera intersections found that right-angle and left-turn crashes decreased by 20 percent and 45 percent, respectively, with an overall decrease in total crashes of 11 percent. They also detected a positive spillover effect to nearby intersections.
The researchers concluded that red light cameras decreased right-angle and left-turn crashes. They also determined that rear-end crash severity decreased as a result of red light cameras.
The National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running - Arizona
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I think they are following me. This is info from Va. Beach, seems they let the law expire. The National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running - The Latest News

I have seen the effects and think it is a great idea. Others may disagree but that's your right.
 
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utvolpj said:
While I may have quoted some information I found quickly on the internet, traffic fatalities do not equal red-light running fatalities. A wreck on I-10 cannot be included for red lights. From 2001-2003 red light running crashes at intersections with cameras installed decreased by 26%.

The National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running - The Latest News


I think they are following me. This is info from Va. Beach, seems they let the law expire. The National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running - The Latest News

I have seen the effects and think it is a great idea. Others may disagree but that's your right.
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i agree with you in arizona most automobile deaths are on the freeway, I-10 or 15 or the 101 or the 60. i disagree about the camera's, saw it first hand in toledo ohio they cause more accidents. intersections that had the camera's accidents went up by 15%. the mayor would not take them down though because they were making to much money.
 
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