At this point, would you consider 5-7 a solid season?

If we finish the season 5-7, would you consider it a solid, respectable season?

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#51
#51
Maybe it's nitpicking the wording of the question, as "solid," but regardless, I answered yes.

If Auburn and Mizzou were still unranked as they were at the beginning of the year, and just 'good' teams, then the answer would be no. We knew our schedule was brutal to begin with, but 6-6 would have been solid looking from the start of the year.

But, with Auburn and Mizzou both overachieving, and being top 10 teams, our schedule just went from brutal to brutalest, and I think 6-7 would not be terrible.

JMO.
 
#52
#52
I expected 5-7 before the season started, but that does not mean that it isn't a complete failure of a season. I was pleasantly surprised by a signature win in Butch's first season, but now he has to finish the job and get to 6-6. Vandy ain't going to be a cakewalk folks.
 
#56
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely agree. It takes coaching, development, intelligence, heart,....

I agree completely that some of those things are beyond Jones' control. But the things WITHIN his control... are worthy of discussion.

I really don't want to hear that the OL's aren't tough enough or do not finish their blocks after the 9th game when NO ONE has lost their job on that OL. Sometimes the wake up call is when people start being replaced. EVERY TIME a guy who is tenacious and plays to the whistle is better than a guy who is talented but soft... witness what happened to UT vs MU along the lines.
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Do not understimate the value of having seasoned upperclassmen in your program. Not to mention having those be in your system for 2-3 years. That's just not a luxury Butch has right now. Missouri may not have the "star power" we have, but they do have a ton of upperclassmen who have been coached by the same staff in the same system.

I understand that the argument for Auburn being good with a first year head coach is there, but that was a totally different situation, as Malzahn was actually there to recruit some of his current players, and Auburn has had little attrition with some really good recruiting classes over the last 4-5 years.

Our time will come, unfortunately, it'll take a couple of recruiting cycles. Once the horses arrive, Butch will coach 'em up.
 
#57
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Sheath Huler said:
I expected 5-7 before the season started, but that does not mean that it isn't a complete failure of a season. I was pleasantly surprised by a signature win in Butch's first season, but now he has to finish the job and get to 6-6. Vandy ain't going to be a cakewalk folks.
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Doesn't have to be a cakewalk to be a win. A win is all that matters. A win against Vandy is likely though not guaranteed.
 
#58
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sjt18 said:
I will say this... UT's D would not be this bad under Wilcox IMO.
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this is something to consider,when looking at the past,I hate to say it,but i would have loved to seen where the Vols would have been at with him coaching the D,but that is in the past

I thought 6 wins was expected before the start of the season and i thought it could of been less,of course once the start of the season kept getting closer,my win totals went up and yes,nothing like some Orange tinted shades

I think that the team is putting up the wins and loses about where they should be at,there is still a chance at the unexpected,either way
 
#59
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Sheath Huler said:
I expected 5-7 before the season started, but that does not mean that it isn't a complete failure of a season. I was pleasantly surprised by a signature win in Butch's first season, but now he has to finish the job and get to 6-6. Vandy ain't going to be a cakewalk folks.
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I completely agree, I don't see Vandy on the same level as Kentucky and I'm afraid a lot are deep in the koolaide thinking Vandy at this point is a cupcake game!
 
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#60
#60
5-7 should be looked at as a failure. Period.

The horrible Florida debacle.
Choking away a chance to beat Georgia.
The pathetic showing at Missouri.

Those are not positives. Add losing to Vandy or UK to that mix and it becomes a failure of a season.

There have been bright spots, but Dooley and Kiffin had a few bright spots, too.

6-6 should be the minimum for a successful season this year. I'm actually ashamed to feel that way, but UT has been down so long that any bowl game this year is good.
 
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sjt1450830 said:
No. Not stockpiled.

There is a lot of acreage though between Bama and UK. UT does not have a championship roster... they also don't have a roster that should have been dominated by Mizzou.... or taken to the wire by USA... or so completely non-competitive vs Bama/Oregon.

Some folks need to stop pretending like this is a mid-major roster. There are roster problems but the coaches aren't consistently getting the best results from the roster also.
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This is true. We don't have the best roster, but too many people act like we have zero players.
 
#62
#62
6-6 will be tough.the seniors need to man up and get this team ready to play these last three games.
 
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Wylo said:
This is true. We don't have the best roster, but too many people act like we have zero players.
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Exactly. Take a look at our recruiting classes even in the Dooley years. People act like other major programs didnt want our players. Now that they're at UT, they're talentless, slow and just overall the wrong players. The depth and no talent bs has gotten old for quite some time.
 
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sjt18 said:
Disagree. A 6-6 result would be very "average". It was the result Dooley posted with similar if not worse circumstances.

IMO, 7 wins will suggest Jones may well be the right guy. Six leaves many questions and concerns open about this staff's ability to get the best possible results from a roster. Five.... I'm leaning toward another coaching search after either year 3 or 4. ORRRR, at least a major staff shake up between now and then.
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A little early to reach for those types of conclusions.

Dooley never had to contend with this loaded a schedule and would have struggled mightly without Bray, Hunter, and Patterson.
 
#67
#67
5-7 is never a solid, respectable season. Who are we? Vandy? Ole Piss? Hell no, we are The University of Tennessee. Those expectations are for people who call themselves "realists". They expect us to lose. I don't. I know there are more talented teams, but turnovers, momentum, and execution can beat those teams sometimes.

It makes me sick to read all of the garbage on here about how we are supposed to lose to these more talented teams. Half a dozen plays a game determine the outcome. If North and Smith catch touchdown passes in the first half, it's a different game. Is Missouri better than us? Saturday night they were. Were they the better team last year...no way. The better team doesn't always win.

North makes the catch against SC and we win. It's a few plays a game that make the difference and we haven't made those plays lately. But to say we can't before the game is not "realistic".
 
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DC Vol said:
With this schedule, 6-6 would obviously mean we stole a win from someone we shouldn't have.

And we did.

So I consider 6-6 a respectable outcome. Especially if we cap off a bowl win and have a winning season for the first time since 2009.

5-7, however, is completely different. At this point, that would mean we lost to Vandy at home or Kentucky. That's not going to fly.
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I would probably just link the basketball forum directly to my desktop as to avoid the meltdown until spring practice if we lost to Vandy or Ky this year.

I think it's safe to assume that the crazies will be out in full force if we do anything less than 6-6.

I'll be extremely upset but some posters take it to this whole other level where it's sad and dark and ppl hurt kittens and steal candy from babies.

My psyche cant handle that, it's too fragile already...
 
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Jake Tate said:
I would probably just link the basketball forum directly to my desktop as to avoid the meltdown until spring practice if we lost to Vandy or Ky this year.

I think it's safe to assume that the crazies will be out in full force if we do anything less than 6-6.

I'll be extremely upset but some posters take it to this whole other level where it's sad and dark and ppl hurt kittens and steal candy from babies.
My psyche cant handle that, it's too fragile already...
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LOL

The funniest thing about that is that you just described our more "tame" posters.
 
#71
#71
People act like Dooley never recruited anyone over a 2 star and that's not true. Granted, with Bray, Hunter, Patterson, & Rogers all gone from those classes, it hurts. The cupboard wasn't bare, it just had a lot of raw ingredients for Jones and staff.
 
#72
#72
We may not have the talent to stack up to Bama and Mizzou, but we absolutely have enough to beat Vandy with home field advantage and Kentucky.

I get that we don't have the players and depth to beat teams that are better than we are But if we're gonna get back to where we need to be as a program, we have to e able to find ways to beat teams with comparable talent to our own first.

I'd call 6-6 solid. It would give us something to build off of going forward. 5-7 is underachieving and discouraging.
 
#74
#74
It would be a big failure.

Everything hinges of the Vandy game.

Thankfully, we have a bye week, it's at home, and there's a good chance they'll be without their starting QB.
 
#75
#75
We should be able to run the ball straight down the throats of VU and UK. I've already chalked Auburn up as a loss (I know, negavol), but Vandy and UK are not up for question. Win or go home. Going home is not an acceptable season, ever.
 
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