At this point, would you consider 5-7 a solid season?

If we finish the season 5-7, would you consider it a solid, respectable season?

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#77
#77
We would have to lose to Vandy and Kentucky or at least one of them to be 5 and 7, we should beat Kentucky with no problem and if we don't turn the ball over we will beat vandy, right now I would be down and out if we lose to any of those 2.
 
#78
#78
Boca Vol said:
No kidding.

I'd like to know who the 13 people are that voted "yes" to this.

I'm willing to bet they also bring up UT's tradition of winning to fans of other teams.
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#79
#79
Got top get to 6 - 6. They won a game a should not have and almost won a second. That plus a bowl is respectable for this roster. It's got to get better going forward of course. A 5-7 season with no bowl is never solid.
 
#83
#83
Hoped for 7-5 to build optimism and solid support going forward, but 6-6, with a solid recruiting class, is the minimum acceptable. Losing to Vandy (in Neyland) or UK (anywhere) would be cause for screaming concern. It's sad that our program has considered 6-6 the goal for four years now. Yeah, I know [insert your favorite excuse here], but it's still sad.
 
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oregonvol said:
Simple question: If we finish the season at 5-7, would you consider it a respectable, solid season?

Just curious what folks' standards are...
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No, there is nothing respectable about a losing record, regardless of our situation
 
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#85
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sjt18 said:
If the coaches do not show they can beat teams with equal or worse rosters... then yes. That is what losing to both Auburn and Mizzou will illustrate.

Really? Name them. How many "great" OL's did he inherit? Poole vs Lane/Neal? How many legit DT's did he inherit? How many healthy DE's? He didn't even inherit a SINGLE scholarship QB who had attended a workout when he took over.

You mean that O talent whose best returning OL couldn't beat out two 265 lb walk ons the year before?



Not sure. But is Dooley the standard you really want Jones to meet?

I will say this... UT's D would not be this bad under Wilcox IMO.
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well lets compare the rosters-

2010 OL vs 2013 OL- 2013 has the better line but 2010 was not a pedestrian line that you make it out, Dallas Thomas is playing in the NFL but 2013 wins by a wide margin

2010 WR'S vs 2013 WR'S- 2010 not even a contest Moore, Jones, Hunter, Rogers.

2010 vs 2013 TE- 2010 again no contest Stocker and Rivera.

2010 vs 2013 RB- Poole was a 1000 yard rusher, Neal will probably get there, close call edge to 2013.

2010 vs 2013 QB- 2010 wins this one pretty easy Simms and Bray passed for over 3300 yards and 26 TD'S but were helped out by veteran receivers in Moore, Jones, plus Stocker.

2010 vs 2013 DL -Malik Jackson and Montori Hughes both played on 2010 line and are now playing in the NFL plus Walker and Williams, 2013 Smith, McCullers, Hood, and Miller looks 10 has a slight edge

2010 vs 2013 LB'S - 2010 better overall corps

2010 vs 2013 DB'S - Toss up although Jackson could give 2010 slight edge
 
#86
#86
OP asks a tough question. Solid in comparison to what I expect from this program that until recently averaged a couple of SEC championships every decade and is/was second only to Bama in conference winning percentage? In that case 5-7 sucks and should probably get the who's next discussion going. However, given the state of the program I'd say 5-7 is one more win than I expected.
 
#87
#87
if you consider a 5-7 a successful season or OK, for any reason other that we didn't lose 8 games you are not a die hard Tennessee fan. that is the only positive thing that could be taken from finishing 5-7 is we still haven't lost 8 games.
 
#88
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sjt18 said:
I am frustrated Sudden Impact. I am frustrated that so many are willing to turn a blind eye to the talent UT DOES HAVE in order to excuse at least some degree of coaching failure. I think it is a combination of roster issues and coaching issues. Roster issues will be fixed with recruiting. But frankly I am not interested in a staff that gets UT back to the 2nd tier. I don't find that a satisfactory "goal".

I DO see what looks like some top shelf talent coming in. What I WANT to see is evidence of top shelf, on the field coaching to go with it.
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Frustrated is a great word. I think we all are and who would have thought that ousting Fulmer would have these results.

In essence, we have been without a Head Football coach since Fulmer and staff left.

Whether or not we have had a talent level downturn or not makes no difference and I do see your point stating this.

Turnover/Attrition of staff, players and HCs contributes more so to the product on the field we are seeing today more than the talent level of the players as it relates to records.

A lack of discipline, little coaching with a few exceptions, no standards, no accountability, no goals or visions that promoted a better team on or off the field.

At times I thought Bray was drawing plays in the dirt under Dooley. Kiffin left but he could not handle the SEC.

Solid year from CBJ and staff, who knows, it isn't even over yet.

The record of 5-7 is only one part of the equation to knowing if it was a solid year. We will not know until next year or beyond.

Based on last year's recruiting and this years projections are other parts of the equation also.

Blowing a game at Florida, giving GA a game to remember and the blowout loss to Mizzou are indicators, both good and bad. AL and OR games were expected.

I feel for you I have been a Vol Fan for over 50+ years and have lived all over the world and also I have been fortunate enough to have VCR tapes sent to me where I was living. Still a season ticket holder.

CBJ's announcement as HFC didn't have the reception that John Major's did but it's a different time. However, They are both alike with a few exceptions, they know the value of this program and will not settle for mediocrity which is something we have not had in the last Decade.

We can talk talent level all day long, we can talk schedule all day long, we can talk where they should, could or would be all day long. We can talk records.
But that is just talk.

The one thing CBJs is doing is Identifying problems and fixing them with the talent he has right now. We physically got our A$$es handed to us at Missouri and that is totally unacceptable. Our previous coach would have done nothing about it and anything that he did would have been for his benefit and not the teams.

The one thing we can agree on is that somewhere in the past 5 years we hit ground zero. So far this season 3/4 into it, it appears that there is upward movement. How much we don't know until the season is complete.

So Why prematurely judge it without the total picture. 3 to 4 years at times seems reasonable but knowing what we have experienced the last 6 years, sometimes does not.

Not knowing any coaches knocking down the doors and not knowing the reaction by the boosters is another factor. We all focus on the worst case scenario versus the best. I say take it day to day, game to game, season to season.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Frustrated is a great word. I think we all are and who would have thought that ousting Fulmer would have these results.

In essence, we have been without a Head Football coach since Fulmer and staff left.

Whether or not we have had a talent level downturn or not makes no difference and I do see your point stating this.

Turnover/Attrition of staff, players and HCs contributes more so to the product on the field we are seeing today more than the talent level of the players as it relates to records.

A lack of discipline, little coaching with a few exceptions, no standards, no accountability, no goals or visions that promoted a better team on or off the field.

At times I thought Bray was drawing plays in the dirt under Dooley. Kiffin left but he could not handle the SEC.

Solid year from CBJ and staff, who knows, it isn't even over yet.

The record of 5-7 is only one part of the equation to knowing if it was a solid year. We will not know until next year or beyond.

Based on last year's recruiting and this years projections are other parts of the equation also.

Blowing a game at Florida, giving GA a game to remember and the blowout loss to Mizzou are indicators, both good and bad. AL and OR games were expected.

I feel for you I have been a Vol Fan for over 50+ years and have lived all over the world and also I have been fortunate enough to have VCR tapes sent to me where I was living. Still a season ticket holder.

CBJ's announcement as HFC didn't have the reception that John Major's did but it's a different time. However, They are both alike with a few exceptions, they know the value of this program and will not settle for mediocrity which is something we have not had in the last Decade.

We can talk talent level all day long, we can talk schedule all day long, we can talk where they should, could or would be all day long. We can talk records.
But that is just talk.

The one thing CBJs is doing is Identifying problems and fixing them with the talent he has right now. We physically got our A$$es handed to us at Missouri and that is totally unacceptable. Our previous coach would have done nothing about it and anything that he did would have been for his benefit and not the teams.

The one thing we can agree on is that somewhere in the past 5 years we hit ground zero. So far this season 3/4 into it, it appears that there is upward movement. How much we don't know until the season is complete.

So Why prematurely judge it without the total picture. 3 to 4 years at times seems reasonable but knowing what we have experienced the last 6 years, sometimes does not.

Not knowing any coaches knocking down the doors and not knowing the reaction by the boosters is another factor. We all focus on the worst case scenario versus the best. I say take it day to day, game to game, season to season.
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Very well stated...:hi: 6-6 this year should be a minimum. We should not lose to KY or Vandy. I still think we can pull the Auburn game out and go 7-5 which would be a very solid season IMO.
 
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de3cls said:
Very well stated...:hi: 6-6 this year should be a minimum. We should not lose to KY or Vandy. I still think we can pull the Auburn game out and go 7-5 which would be a very solid season IMO.
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Win a bowl and be an 8 win team. It can happen. The fans and team need to start by believing it can happen though.
 
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#92
#92
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! No, we will finish 6-6 most likely so 5-7 isn't a good finish. We will beat Vandy at home and Kensucky is Kensucky.
 
#95
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oregonvol said:
Simple question: If we finish the season at 5-7, would you consider it a respectable, solid season?

Just curious what folks' standards are...
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I predicted 5-7 season before the season. The USC game was a surprise and after I thought we might get to 6 wins. After last couple weeks and with the injury situation, 5 becomes more likely IMO. Had Worley stayed healthy we might have hit 7. He was settling in until he got injured in USC game

I was really disappointed in the effort of several units Saturday night. Prior to that, I felt we were having a solid season based on effort with the talent level we have. IF, that sort of effort continues I will say it is a disappointing season.

Based on understanding how far down we are in experience and talent (playing 21 freshman and 15 walk-ons) I was looking more at how we played and not out comes. I don't measure a season totally by number of wins. That will come as a measurement when the program gets back some stability.
 
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#96
#96
I would be disappointed purely because we lost to Vandy. If that wasnt the case I would say we met expectations, which is an improvement over the past.
 
#97
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de3cls said:
Very well stated...:hi: 6-6 this year should be a minimum. We should not lose to KY or Vandy. I still think we can pull the Auburn game out and go 7-5 which would be a very solid season IMO.
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If this Senior Class has any pride in them and they want to leave the fans, the coaches and the future Vol players with any parting gifts then they will play their hearts out and leave the legacy that 117 team was the turning point.

4 wins would be nice. 3 plus Bowl game.

A loss to Vanderbilt or Kentucky with this all this riding is totally unacceptable.
 
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oregonvol said:
Simple question: If we finish the season at 5-7, would you consider it a respectable, solid season?

Just curious what folks' standards are...
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No. I said 6-6 was the min at the beginning of the season but also that 7-5 was possible. I always thought that USC was the most winnable game in October, which proved to be true, but I was not counting on it.

I also assumed we could at least split Auburn and Missouri, which got far less likely as the season rolled on.

I was always counting on beating Vandy and UK and I still am.

So from my perspective, the "split" has moved to Missouri/USCe, and we achieved that part, and Auburn moves past USCe as the "stretch win".

But under no circumstance is 5-7 acceptable. Butch has to be able to beat Vandy, they are still far less talented than even our depleted cuirrent roster.

I will say this...given our tough schedule and the "quality win" against USCe, 5-7 is an improvement over last year's 5-7.

But still not good!
 
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