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Regulator said:
Probably make the Hall eventually. Nice HR total, no PED suspicion, one of the best (if not THE best) CF of all time, and played at that level for more than a decade.
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AJ is my favorite..I honestly don't think he makes the Hall. I think he'll be borderline but never in. Best CF ever, for me. Him and KGjr
 
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GAVol said:
If he had ever cut down the swing a little and developed some plate discipline, he probably would be close. I was at Spring Training the year that they tried him at leadoff. In the 3 games I was at, he K'd 6 times and walked back to the dugout more slowly every time. It just wasn't in him.
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Even then, if he didn't get fat and lazy, all he needed was a couple more 30/100 years with 400 HR's and he would have been in, especially with his D.
 
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zjcvols said:
Even then, if he didn't get fat and lazy, all he needed was a couple more 30/100 years with 400 HR's and he would have been in, especially with his D.
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It's amazing if you look at the stats how much difference Chipper makes when he's in the lineup. If the guy could have stayed healthy..................
 
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Regulator said:
Probably make the Hall eventually. Nice HR total, no PED suspicion, one of the best (if not THE best) CF of all time, and played at that level for more than a decade.
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The career batting average is going to kill him. At the rate he's going, he'll be lucky to finish at .250.
 
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TBrown said:
Mick, chip, Eddie murray JMO
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Yep. Mantle is obviously #1, then Jones is a clear #2, then a significant dropoff down to Murray at #3, then another dropoff down to a tossup between Rose and the eternally underrated Tim Raines at #4 and #5. Then I guess Roberto Alomar and Bernie Williams, probably. I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody as good as they are.

Our old pal Mark Teixeira has a chance to move pretty far up this list eventually too.
 
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GAVol said:
The career batting average is going to kill him. At the rate he's going, he'll be lucky to finish at .250.
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He's currently at .256, so he should probably remain above .250, considering he's a part-time player these days. He hit .247 last year, so assuming he stays in that range for the remainder of his career, he'll certainly stay above .250. He's currently at 420 HR (45th all-time) and he's got an outside shot at 450 HR, which would get him into the top 40. 5-time all star, along with 10 consecutive Gold Gloves. Considering his defensive contributions, plus HR total, I think he's a surefire HOF'er.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Could you imagine these two in the same lineup?
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If you take what Martin Prado appeared to be before this last season and make him a switch-hitter, then you've basically got 90 percent of Pete Rose. So yeah, it's pretty easy to imagine those two in the same lineup. Not exactly Murderer's Row.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you take what Martin Prado appeared to be before this last season and make him a switch-hitter, then you've basically got 90 percent of Pete Rose. So yeah, it's pretty easy to imagine those two in the same lineup. Not exactly Murderer's Row.
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That's really more true than people think. Except for a year here and there, Rose never hit for gaudy average or drove the ball or ran a lot.
 
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Regulator said:
This is just me throwing something out there to see if it sticks, but why wouldn't the three teams involved consider this as at least a starting point.

Reds get Jurrjens

Rays get Yonder Alonso

Braves get B.J. Upton

Alonso needs a 1B/DH spot, Reds are looking for pitching (reportedly they like JJ), Rays need a 1B, Braves need/desire a RH OF. Maybe Braves could get a Paul Yanish/Sean Rodriguez type for their bench as well.
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I am not so sure if Jurrjens would work in Cincinnati. He pitches to contact and Turner Field is a good park for that. Great American is not.
 
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Am I crazy to think it is not a bad move to just stay with the team from last year? I would rather keep Prado (he was unhealthy for a large portion of the year) then trading him and a SP for just another utility guy. What short stop could we acquire that would just be here for a year or two at most?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yep. Mantle is obviously #1, then Jones is a clear #2, then a significant dropoff down to Murray at #3, then another dropoff down to a tossup between Rose and the eternally underrated Tim Raines at #4 and #5. Then I guess Roberto Alomar and Bernie Williams, probably. I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody as good as they are.

Our old pal Mark Teixeira has a chance to move pretty far up this list eventually too.
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I love Chipper, but I wouldn't say he's clearly a better hitter than Charlie Hustle. Or even Eddie Murray for that matter. Each of those guys was better at some things than the other two. Tough call.
 
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Yikes. Murray, maybe debatable. Chipper is a pretty clear cut #2 though.
 
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orangesox said:
I love Chipper, but I wouldn't say he's clearly a better hitter than Charlie Hustle. Or even Eddie Murray for that matter. Each of those guys was better at some things than the other two. Tough call.
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Chipper is better at literally everything there is about hitting than Pete Rose was. Higher average (so far), more walks, vastly more power. Rose won his MVP award with a season that, even when normalized for league and park numbers, wouldn't be one of Chipper's 8 or 9 best. Rose has got to be the most overrated player of the last 40 years.
 
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GAVol said:
He really is. He was basically a poor man's Paul Molitor that stuck around 6 or 7 years too long.
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His pursuit of Ty Cobb's record is still the most pathetic example of putting individual goals over team success that I've ever seen. I still don't believe that the Reds let him get away with it. They were a contending team while he was playing the string out, yet they still let him write his own name into the lineup when he was one of the worst players in the National League. It might well have cost them a division title. But by God he got his record.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
His pursuit of Ty Cobb's record is still the most pathetic example of putting individual goals over team success that I've ever seen. I still don't believe that the Reds let him get away with it. They were a contending team while he was playing the string out, yet they still let him write his own name into the lineup when he was one of the worst players in the National League. It might well have cost them a division title. But by God he got his record.
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What people forget is that he actually came back the year AFTER he got the record and kept getting ABs.
 
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The support for him among Reds fans was mind-boggling. I was friends with a guy who rooted for the Reds and was incredibly excited about the Rose record, and I was like, "You do know that you're playing a first baseman who hits about .250 with zero power and who can't really even field his position anymore, right?"
 
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