Auburn in trouble?

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Sorry to break it to you, but the SEC is not known for having terribly intelligent players or squeaky clean programs.

Is Auburn really on that bad of ground though?
 
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(milohimself @ Jul 12 said:
Sorry to break it to you, but the SEC is not known for having terribly intelligent players or squeaky clean programs.

Is Auburn really on that bad of ground though?
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That's what I mean by my first statement, that's why I hope it's not true.

As for AU being on shaky ground, it's probably nothing that they can't cover up. :p
 
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Have heard mixed things down here from really bad (falsified info on academics) to mild (one of many schools in an upcoming NYT article about high school diploma mills and the schools that take players from them -- which is most!).

Most early indications are that it's on the mild side. A reporter from the NYT has been on campus (pretty well confirmed).
 
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IMHO I would love to see Auburn get into trouble again...maybe a little probation that keeps them out of postseason play. Of course, at that point I would have to pull for Auburn to go undefeated, then laugh at all the Auburn fans for now having 3 undefeated seasons in 15 years and no national title to show for it.
 
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In the fall of 2004, Mr. Langenfeld found himself in an academic bind. More than two months into the fall semester, he realized that he had been attending the wrong class because of a scheduling error. Mr. Langenfeld approached Professor Gundlach about adding a class, but Professor Gundlach said he could not help him because it was too late in the semester.
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While I can admit that I did not attend all my classes as regularly as I should have, I at least knew which ones I was enrolled in. I took one of the type of classes described in the article when I was @ UT and it was one of the toughest I had. No way 81% of these guys are making A's. But having spent a few years on campus you'd be stupid to think it doesn't happen at every school.
 
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From a bammer no less. :disappointed: Who was last on probation AU or UAT?

There's also a thread here.
 
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I guess it comes in bunches. I just saw on the Huntsville news last night that an Auburn player was arrested for DUI. I think his name was Pitts?
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
IMHO I would love to see Auburn get into trouble again...maybe a little probation that keeps them out of postseason play. Of course, at that point I would have to pull for Auburn to go undefeated, then laugh at all the Auburn fans for now having 3 undefeated seasons in 15 years and no national title to show for it.
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Are you sure? With how close you are to the state, how many times you'd hear about it and all...
 
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The Auburn football team’s performance in the N.C.A.A.’s new rankings of student athletes’ academic progress surprised many educators on and off campus. The team had the highest ranking of any Division I-A public university among college football’s six major conferences. Over all among Division I-A football programs, Auburn trailed only Stanford, Navy and Boston College and finished just ahead of Duke.
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Great Stuff.

Also, Cadillac took 3 Professor Peete classes in one semester...it is no small wonder why he broke his commit to UT and went to Auburn.
 
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Just a question. If Auburn is found to be in violation of NCAA rules and regulations, and penalized by forfeiting all games in 2003 and 2004 (or however long Petee has been running this game,) does that make us 11-1 in 2004 and SEC Champs?
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 14 said:
Just a question. If Auburn is found to be in violation of NCAA rules and regulations, and penalized by forfeiting all games in 2003 and 2004 (or however long Petee has been running this game,) does that make us 11-1 in 2004 and SEC Champs?
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IF that were to happen, then we should be 12-1 for 2004, and SEC champs; but that will never happen.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 14 said:
Just a question. If Auburn is found to be in violation of NCAA rules and regulations, and penalized by forfeiting all games in 2003 and 2004 (or however long Petee has been running this game,) does that make us 11-1 in 2004 and SEC Champs?
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Nope..UF didn't get the championship when Bama got nabbed the last time :banghead:
 
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I asked that question in another thread. That's a joke. Why leave it vacant like that? :p
 
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Does anyone have a feel for their situation? Are they gonna get hammered or is this just going to fade away?
 
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As in Tutorgate, the NCAA tends to let schools handle it themselves when it comes to academics.

To me, the real problem at Auburn is with the Sociology Department not the Athletic Dept. You had a prof. (Petee) who offered directed reading courses with seemingly no oversight. They were open to many students (only 25% were athletes). The chair of the dept. didn't know about it (poor oversight). Another prof. is mad that Sociology is the dumping ground for football players. That's because it's easy! There's a simple way to change it, make the curriculum more rigorous.

By allowing the prof. to offer the classes, they become defacto legit classes. It is the role of the other prof.s in the department to oversee the curriculum. They apparently didn't. Not the students' fault.
 
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(volinbham @ Jul 18 said:
As in Tutorgate, the NCAA tends to let schools handle it themselves when it comes to academics.

To me, the real problem at Auburn is with the Sociology Department not the Athletic Dept. You had a prof. (Petee) who offered directed reading courses with seemingly no oversight. They were open to many students (only 25% were athletes). The chair of the dept. didn't know about it (poor oversight). Another prof. is mad that Sociology is the dumping ground for football players. That's because it's easy! There's a simple way to change it, make the curriculum more rigorous.

By allowing the prof. to offer the classes, they become defacto legit classes. It is the role of the other prof.s in the department to oversee the curriculum. They apparently didn't. Not the students' fault.
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I agree to an extent. However, one of two things needs to happen here to deter other schools and professors from setting up programs of study like this (first step would have been Auburn letting Petee go...apparently they passed on that.)

Either the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools should discredit Auburn (since their is not a national organization for the accredidation of sociology) as a University, or the NCAA should levy heavy punitive sanctions against the Auburn Football team. I have a feeling, Auburn would choose the NCAA sanctions.
 
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As for the NCAA option - I think the problem is that it is outside their jurisdiction if you will. Maybe they can get them on an APR violation.

As for SACS, they probably will look into it and they along with the university are the logical "police" of this issue.

What becomes problematic is the rules of the university and SACS accreditation guidelines.

Directed studies and directed readings are clearly allowed. The NYT article was a bit misleading when it talked about these as true independent studies. More likely, Petee set up directed readings courses that multiple students signed up for. All students in the course would read the same books articles and have the same assignments. I've offered directed readings courses and this is typically the approach that is used.

What is puzzling is how he was able to offer so many. The courses must be added to the registration system to be offered. They might be something like SOC490 which would be a generic course number for any directed readings course (e.g. there could be multiple and different SOC490's in any given semester). Some administrator had to have oversight either approving the courses or at least getting reports each semester about how many were offered.

The courses themselves may not be the problem (allow some are likely not sufficient for 3 hours of credit - but this is a subjective evaluation). The two most troubling factors are 1. the number of these courses that any one student could take (up to 6 taken by one student). At the most, a student shouldn't take more than 2 within their major and 1 would be preferable. 2. The student that was allowed to add the course 10-weeks into the semester - no way it could be worth 3 credit hours.

I also have a problem with Gundlach (whistle blower). His intentions may have been pure but it doesn't appear that he exhausted the process within the university to protest what he considered to be a violation of academic integrity. Going to the NYT was a questionable and potentially damaging choice. Further, his seeing a football player being honored for GPA in his department when he claims he never heard of the student is not unusal. Assuming Sociology has several hundred students - it is not unusal for any individual student to be unknown to any individual faculty member or even department chair.


In short, it's not clear that violations of academic policy or accreditation have actually occurred. (likely though!)
 
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