B.J. Coleman..

#51
#51
judojew said:
Bills Ryan Joseph Fitzpatrick - Harvard
Panthers - Jimmy Clausen - Notre Dame (rookie)
Bills - Jake Delhomme - Louisiana-Lafayette
Cardinals - Matt Leinart - USC (But could not beat out Kurt Warner and he played for Northern Iowa
49s - Alex Smith & David Carr - Utah and Fresno
Chiefs - Matt Cassel - USC
Raiders - Jason Campbell - Auburn
Jaguars - David Garrard -East Carolina
Rams -Sam Bradford - Oklahoma (rookie)
Bucs - Josh Freeman - Kansas State
Lions - Mattew Stafford - Georgia
Titans - Vince Young - Texas
Broncos - Kyle Orton - Purdue
Jets - Sanchez - USC
Seahawks - Hasselbeck - Boston College
Eagles - Kolb - Houston
Bears - Cutler - Vanderbilt
Bengals - Palmer - USC
Redskins - McNabb - Syracuse
Texans - Matt Schaub - Virginia
Falcons - Matt Ryan - Boston College
Giants - E. Manning - Ole Miss
Dolphins - Henne - Michigan, (Pennington went to Marshall and was from Knoxville)
Packers - Rodgers - Cal
Ravens - Flacco - Delaware
Saints - Brees - Purdue
Colts - P. Manning - Tennessee
Patriots - Brady - Michigan
Chargers - Rivers - North Carolina State
Cowboys - Romo - Eastern Illinois
Vikings - Farve - Southern Miss
Steelers - Roethlisberger - Miami Ohio

Not a lot of big time schools on this list.
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Hmmm i counted 28 of these as FBS. Not FCS as UTC.
 
#52
#52
So, because 3 NFL starting quarterbacks(<10%) are from IAA... and BJ Coleman is somewhere ~the top 40% of IAA quarterbacks that makes him good?
 
#53
#53
rmsmith said:
Hmmm i counted 28 of these as FBS. Not FCS as UTC.
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Yes, but you are saying that a QB need to face superior competition or be from the FBS. Yes most are from the FBS, but most of the schools on the list are not competing against superior competition and are not competing for FBS championship. I think only Vince Young and Matt Leinart have won the FBS championship and they are struggling in the NFL.
 
#54
#54
judojew said:
Yes, but you are saying that a QB need to face superior competition or be from the FBS. Yes most are from the FBS, but most of the schools on the list are not competing against superior competition and are not competing for FBS championship. I think only Vince Young and Matt Leinart have won the FBS championship and they are struggling in the NFL.
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One can be a great QB without winning a championship. Championships takes great teams.
 
#55
#55
judojew said:
Yes, but you are saying that a QB need to face superior competition or be from the FBS. Yes most are from the FBS, but most of the schools on the list are not competing against superior competition and are not competing for FBS championship. I think only Vince Young and Matt Leinart have won the FBS championship and they are struggling in the NFL.
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I don't think you understand your own argument.

All of the posters explained that BJ Coleman performed well at UTC and not at UTK because of the difference in the level of competition. Rather than offering another explanation for his improvement (enhanced training, maturation at his position, etc.) you shifted the argument from Coleman as a player to quarterbacks that come from FCS schools vs. FBS schools, which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Coleman was not at all good when he was in Knoxville.

Within your shift, you also fail to take into account the fact that a quarterback's success in the pro's doesn't really have any bearing on whether they are successful in college. Casey Clausen, David Carr, and just about every QB from Florida have been wildly successful college QB's, but not as pros. On the flip side, Tom Brady could barely keep his job at Michigan, but has been one of the best for the past decade.

Basically, I'm saying you're really not making sense. I hope the best for BJ because he's a former Vol, but he wouldn't be able to beat out Bray or Simms.
 
#56
#56
Nearly every one of those QBs had several big wins...

Delhomme/Louisiana Lafayette - Texas A&M
Alex Smith/Utah - California, Oregon, Texas A&M, at Arizona, North Carolina, Pittsburgh
David Carr/Fresno - California, at Colorado, Oregon State, at Wisconsin
David Garrard/ECU - West Virginia, Duke, at South Carolina, at Duke, Syracuse
Kevin Kolb/Houston - Mississippi State, at Mississippi State(lol)
Brett Favre/Southern Miss - Mississippi State(with the hat trick), Virginia Tech, Mississippi State, Florida State, at Alabama, at Auburn
Ben Roethlisberger/MiamiOh - at North Carolina, at Northwestern

All of the above quarterbacks definitely faced stiffer tests than Coleman will see at UTC, and most of them passed said tests a lot more often than their teams would without them.
 
#57
#57
judojew said:
Because Joe Flacco had a hard time adjusting to superior competition. And all the rest of the SEC quarterbacks have went on to NFL greatness.
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Joe Flacco left Pitt because Wannstedt fired the QB coach that recruited him.
 
#60
#60
Coleman made a huge mistake. Happens when you are arrogant and not prepared to wait your turn. Oh well!
 
#62
#62
Why are we still arguing about a perennial fourth string FBS QB that starts for an FCS team?
 
#63
#63
judojew said:
1. No BJ should not be in class since UTC is in the summer session.
2. He did statistically beat out Crompton last year... and Poole did not get a fair shake by the previous staff.
3. He has elevated the Mocs playing ability.
4. It would be nice to have star players from Tennessee playing for the VOLS.
5. *Of course I am biased in all of this since I am from Chattanooga, and I attend UTC.*
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+1 and a bunch of zeros.
 
#64
#64
Dang...lol.. I didn't mean to stir everyone up.. I just meant as a back up plan..lol. Everyone talk your blood pressure pills..
 
#69
#69
judojew said:
That Coleman is a good quarterback even though he does not play in the SEC anymore and that he still has a chance to succeed. By the way besides Peyton and Eli what quarterback from the SEC has achieved anything in the past 15 years. The only other big time quarterback besides these two that achieved anything was Joe Namath and Archie Manning.
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If your only measure of success in the NFL is Super Bowl wins, your expectations are a little lofty. Rex Grossman played in one. Jay Cutler has had relative success. You definately hurt Kenny Stabler's feelings. What did Archie achieve? Really?
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#70
#70
You wanna talk about a "pre-madonna"?? The McCallie Blue Tornadoes wrote the book. Buck Foleman. My partner played @ UTC all four years, his 4th being under the new staff. Got the shaft when they came in and cleaned house. Started 2+ years and barely saw the field his sr year. BJ is a hussy.
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#72
#72
crusse10 said:
Glad I'm not the only one who still used CJ Boleman
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I never figured out why Nick Lameasson never caught on. Maybe cause it's too much like my personal least liked...Lame Kitten.
I loathe that one.
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#74
#74
Why would anybody not wish he were here? You prefer having empty scholarships that can't be used? Makes no sense to me. Like saying you would prefer to be the richest man in the cemetery. If you have a scholarship, and it is going to go to waste, then of course I wish Coleman were here! You can never have too many QB's!
 
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