OrangeEmpire
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(OrangeEmpire @ Aug 7 said:What is salvation?
How do you gain it?
What is baptsim?
How do you perform it?
Does baptism bring salvation?
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(BHAMVOLFAN @ Aug 7 said:so would someone mind 'splainin' to Ricky what will happen to millions who walked the earth without being exposed to religion? If they didn't accept Jesus Christ and your Lord and Savior 'cause they didn't know about him, are they bound for hell?
Although this hardly seems like a political issue to me, I'll answer the question.
What is salvation?
Spending a night on the hill with 108000 of your closest friends
How do you gain it?
Works alone. You must attend the game, and stay on your feet.
What is baptsim?
Being dunked in the Tennessee river by an official member of the Vol Navy
How do you perform it?
Piss a member of the Vol Navy off
Does baptism bring salvation?
Only if you also attend the UT game and buy an Arian Foster jersey, and a hotdog for his Freakiness.
(OrangeEmpire @ Aug 7 said:What is salvation?
How do you gain it?
What is baptsim?
How do you perform it?
Does baptism bring salvation?
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(smoke_em06 @ Aug 8 said:1. Salvation is the acceptance of the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross. It means you have chosen to 100% follow Christ and not the world. You must be born again.
2. 1. Admit your a sinner 2. Believe in God and the sacrifice of his son 3. Confess with you mouth and invite God to dwell in your heart. You must be born again.
3. Baptism is a public display of your acceptance of God's salvation plan.
4. Different religions have different baptisms. Personally, I believe that Baptism is best represented when a person is completely submerged in water and brought up again. This shows people that your old body of the world has been laid to rest, and you have been born again to a new life with Christ.
5. In no way does Baptism bring Salvation.
(Vol423 @ Aug 7 said:Although this hardly seems like a political issue to me, I'll answer the question. Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior brings salvation. Period. End of story. You don't have to be baptized. As another poster already stated, baptism is symbolic.
(GVF @ Aug 8 said:So, how do you account for the many verses of the new testament that specifically tell you to be baptizd for the remission of your sins, and you will be saved. salavation is a byproduct of baptism. Yes, baptism is symbolic to a degree. But, is required for salvation to be gained. Where do people get that you don't have to do anything.
Although this hardly seems like a political issue to me, I'll answer the question. Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior brings salvation. Period. End of story. You don't have to be baptized. As another poster already stated, baptism is symbolic.
So, how do you account for the many verses of the new testament that specifically tell you to be baptizd for the remission of your sins, and you will be saved. salavation is a byproduct of baptism. Yes, baptism is symbolic to a degree. But, is required for salvation to be gained. Where do people get that you don't have to do anything.
12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one bodywhether Jews or Greeks, slave or freeand we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
(vader @ Aug 8 said:We were studying 1st Corinthians 12 this weekend and this verse stood out for me: (NIV)
This sounds a lot broader to me than the "only my sect gets into heaven" mentatility.
(therealUT @ Aug 8 said:There you go again, GVF. Once again you are narrowing down the window of who gets into heaven. Yet, you firmly believe this, however, you stated that Ghandi might have made it. GHANDI WAS NEVER BAPTISED! So, to you, he is burning and suffering eternal damnation in hell.
Also, now that you have narrowed it down to Baptism, exactly which Baptisms are deserving of God's approval? Total submersion? Baptism in the name of the Trinity? Baptism only through CoC or certain sects of Christianity?
(vader @ Aug 8 said:We were studying 1st Corinthians 12 this weekend and this verse stood out for me: (NIV)
This sounds a lot broader to me than the "only my sect gets into heaven" mentatility.
(therealUT @ Aug 8 said:There you go again, GVF. Once again you are narrowing down the window of who gets into heaven. Yet, you firmly believe this, however, you stated that Ghandi might have made it. GHANDI WAS NEVER BAPTISED! So, to you, he is burning and suffering eternal damnation in hell.
Also, now that you have narrowed it down to Baptism, exactly which Baptisms are deserving of God's approval? Total submersion? Baptism in the name of the Trinity? Baptism only through CoC or certain sects of Christianity?
(GVF @ Aug 8 said:The Bible teaches baptism as immersion in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It has to be Trinity. The three are one, and the one is three. If a person says they hv been baptized according to new testament teachings, immersion baptism in the Trinity, they were added to the Body (God's family). Baptism is into Christ, not a building or religion. I can't question someone if they know they were saved for the remission of their sins in this fashion. Being a self studied scholar you know the root text of baptism is immersion. Expamples of baptism in the new testament are going down into the water. Where any description of the act itself is given none refer to any other method.
(GVF @ Aug 8 said:I really think that if more people spent more time in the actual word of God and less time in the sugar coated feel good religious creations of man, there would be a better understanding of what god wants in your life. There is a flip side to all the wonderful things God can give you. There are two sides to life. We make understanding the scriptures hard. They are not hard.You cannot carveup the scriptures and throw out parts of the commands. It is a complete unit. As harsh as it sounds, there is eternal punishment as well. But, salvation is laid out there, just the way he gave it to us. We have not the authority to change the rules. What we get is either our rewrd or our fault.