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calban

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We've had some discussions on the rating systems used to choose teams for the dance.
I used 3 of them to fill out brackets for the first round of the NIT.
I know 16 games does not a theorem make but, the results will be interesting to some of the basketball geeks.
Thoughts.
And if any of you use one of the other rating systems, please post the results for those.
Anyone with more time than they know what to do with( like me), might give similar results for the dance.

Teams Playing on Home Floor
10-6

Best Ken Pom ranking
11-5

Best ESPN BPI
8-8

Best RPI
5-11
 
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Well if that doesn't show that the RPI is overrated I don't know what does.

I really, after paying a lot of attention to it this year, do not like the RPI, and it has nothing to do with Tennessee.
 
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calban said:
We've had some discussions on the rating systems used to choose teams for the dance.
I used 3 of them to fill out brackets for the first round of the NIT.
I know 16 games does not a theorem make but, the results will be interesting to some of the basketball geeks.
Thoughts.
And if any of you use one of the other rating systems, please post the results for those.
Anyone with more time than they know what to do with( like me), might give similar results for the dance.

Teams Playing on Home Floor
10-6

Best Ken Pom ranking
11-5

Best ESPN BPI
8-8

Best RPI
5-11
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One would expect Kenpom to be better than the others. It's entire purpose is to determine the outcome if 2 teams were to play. That is not the purpose of the RPI. I don't want to sound like an RPI apologist but it does what it's supposed to, it gives a mathematical ranking of who played who, whether you won or lost, and where that outcome occurred. All systems have their faults (Look no further than Cal being #32 on Kenpom).
 
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zansdad said:
One would expect Kenpom to be better than the others. It's entire purpose is to determine the outcome if 2 teams were to play. That is not the purpose of the RPI. I don't want to sound like an RPI apologist but it does what it's supposed to, it gives a mathematical ranking of who played who, whether you won or lost, and where that outcome occurred. All systems have their faults (Look no further than Cal being #32 on Kenpom).
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The issue I the selection committee uses it almost like a ranking system for best teams, and it isn't that as you said.
 
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There's a kid from North Carolina named Nathan Walker who is up there w Ken Pom IMO
 
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I will add this.
1. Any conference that gets mutiple teams in the tournament should automatically include the regular season champion. This year the Pac12 got two teams in but not the regular season champion. The selection committee sent a major message that the regular season is meaningless. The conference shouldn't allow that to happen!

2. If you have a losing record in your conference you should only get in if there are no other teams left to pick.

3. Any conference that gets multiple teams in should not allow a team that finished lower in the standings to get in before anyone above them.

The regular season should mean something.

That is why College Football WITHOUT a tournament is the best sport going. Every game, every week is like a playoff!!! Don't destroy college football like basketball!!!
 
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Sorry but I'll take march madness over the "toilet bowl" any day of the week. Teams that go .500 vs inferior opponents shouldn't just be awarded a bowl game, that's crap. How many overall .500 teams do you see in the NCAA tournament?

You really think washington or savannah state should have been at large teams in the NCAA? Now THAT would ruin college basketball.

C'mon man.
 
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BearBryant said:
I will add this.
1. Any conference that gets mutiple teams in the tournament should automatically include the regular season champion. This year the Pac12 got two teams in but not the regular season champion. The selection committee sent a major message that the regular season is meaningless. The conference shouldn't allow that to happen!

2. If you have a losing record in your conference you should only get in if there are no other teams left to pick.
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3. Any conference that gets multiple teams in should not allow a team that finished lower in the standings to get in before anyone above them.

The regular season should mean something.

That is why College Football WITHOUT a tournament is the best sport going. Every game, every week is like a playoff!!! Don't destroy college football like basketball!!!
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Yeah I would much rather have it like college football where a bunch of cpus and people that don't watch half the games vote for a champion instead of on the court like basketball.


The reason the issues happened that you mentioned was bc the Ncaa looks at your overall body of work and not just your conference schedule.

To be really fair the only teams that had a chance to be the champion would be each conference otherwise you might have a team that didn't even win its conference to be champion.....oh wait didn't that happen in football.....and they had already lost to that team at home.....yeah that's fair.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Yeah I would much rather have it like college football where a bunch of cpus and people that don't watch half the games vote for a champion instead of on the court like basketball.


The reason the issues happened that you mentioned was bc the Ncaa looks at your overall body of work and not just your conference schedule.

To be really fair the only teams that had a chance to be the champion would be each conference otherwise you might have a team that didn't even win its conference to be champion.....oh wait didn't that happen in football.....and they had already lost to that team at home.....yeah that's fair.
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Check the record. There HAVE been basketball National Champions that did not win their conference!!!!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Sorry but I'll take march madness over the "toilet bowl" any day of the week. Teams that go .500 vs inferior opponents shouldn't just be awarded a bowl game, that's crap. How many overall .500 teams do you see in the NCAA tournament?

You really think washington or savannah state should have been at large teams in the NCAA? Now THAT would ruin college basketball.

C'mon man.
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Can you read? I'm not talking about all the bowl games only the Natonal Championship. The college football season is a playoff from day 1 to the end. Excitement every week not just one month!!

Savannah St. came from a conference that had ONLY ONE team in. If you understood that I said conferences that got multiple teams in. The MEAAC did not!!!

Washington won the Pac12 regular season. They took Colorado and California from this conference. What would you be saying if Tennessee won the SEC but only Alabama and Florida got in?
 
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Check it out. The 1990-91 season. Duke did not win the ACC regular season or the Tournament, yet they were the National Champion!!!!
 
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So you really think Washington should have been in the dance?

The fact you honestly believe that says enough.

The PAC 12 should have got ONE team, period.
 
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My system went 8-8 as well. It has the same purpose as the RPI but is designed to be better. So, I guess it makes sense that I'd fall in line with the BPI, outperform the RPI, and fall short of the system that's designed to predict. That said, picking NIT winners is like picking the winners of minor bowl games. You don't know who's going to show up.
 
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BearBryant said:
Check it out. The 1990-91 season. Duke did not win the ACC regular season or the Tournament, yet they were the National Champion!!!!
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That's true but they proved they were the champions on the court....Alabama got to be champions based on people's opinions. I would much rather it be decided on the playing field.
 
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BearBryant said:
Can you read? I'm not talking about all the bowl games only the Natonal Championship. The college football season is a playoff from day 1 to the end. Excitement every week not just one month!!

Savannah St. came from a conference that had ONLY ONE team in. If you understood that I said conferences that got multiple teams in. The MEAAC did not!!!

Washington won the Pac12 regular season. They took Colorado and California from this conference. What would you be saying if Tennessee won the SEC but only Alabama and Florida got in?
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They only took California from the PAC 12 which is based on cals superior record to Washington....Colorado earned a bid based off being PAC 12 tourney champions.
 
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BearBryant said:
I will add this.
1. Any conference that gets mutiple teams in the tournament should automatically include the regular season champion. This year the Pac12 got two teams in but not the regular season champion. The selection committee sent a major message that the regular season is meaningless. The conference shouldn't allow that to happen!

2. If you have a losing record in your conference you should only get in if there are no other teams left to pick.

3. Any conference that gets multiple teams in should not allow a team that finished lower in the standings to get in before anyone above them.

The regular season should mean something.

That is why College Football WITHOUT a tournament is the best sport going. Every game, every week is like a playoff!!! Don't destroy college football like basketball!!!
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1) conferences can send anyone they want with their auto bid. That all but 1 sends their tourney champ and not the regular season champ is a testament to the desire of the conferences to make a buck moreso than a failing of the system.

2)&3) it is an NCAA tourney not a reward for doing well in your conference schedule. The whole body of work needs to be evaluated and for the most part it is.

As for your last statement, I love college football but every week is not a playoff. If it were then Bama was eliminated by LSU in the regular season.
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zansdad said:
1) conferences can send anyone they want with their auto bid. That all but 1 sends their tourney champ and not the regular season champ is a testament to the desire of the conferences to make a buck moreso than a failing of the system.

2)&3) it is an NCAA tourney not a reward for doing well in your conference schedule. The whole body of work needs to be evaluated and for the most part it is.

As for your last statement, I love college football but every week is not a playoff. If it were then Bama was eliminated by LSU in the regular season.
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Very true. Last season forever destroyed the assertion that the season is a playoff.
If the season were a playoff, then two teams would not be able to come out of the same bracket.
Wichita State might be better than a few teams that make the Round of 32; perhaps the Shockers should advance despite the lost.
 
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