BCS continues to be ridiculous

[lawgator1]

So you have the great pretener Va. Tech sitting there in the # 6 spot in the BCS rankings. The only team they played is Miami, who promptly shelacked them at home. FSU, which could lose to Fla. but then beat Miami again would get 80 bazillion krillion BCS dollars at 8-4 (and they aren't even in the BCS rankings this week).

And then you have the University of South Florids which, at this point, controls its own fate and could go to the BCS at 8-3 or even 7-4.

I mean come on. Does anyone think that South Florida or Va. Tech would have a prayer against LSU, 'bama, or Georgia (when firing on all cylinders)? No way. Can we please stop with the fraud and just bite the bullet already?

Tell you what. If they'll go to a top eight system for playoffs, I'll satisfy the sponsors and buy a bag of Tostitos, a crate of Oranges, 5 lbs. of Sugar, I'll send a package to someone by Fed Ex, I'll go to dinner at Outback, and I'll buy a weedeater.

 

[tidwell]

How would you go about determining the top 8 though? You'd have people ticked off around the 8th and 9th spot just like do now around 2nd and 3rd.

I guess they could do that with the conference champions, to avoid an Oklahoma situation from a couple years ago.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by tidwell@Nov 14, 2005 3:59 PM
How would you go about determining the top 8 though?  You'd have people ticked off around the 8th and 9th spot just like do now around 2nd and 3rd.

I guess they could do that with the conference champions, to avoid an Oklahoma situation from a couple years ago.

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I'd go with the polls. Sure there'd be some disputes about the 8 and 9 ranks. But better than the current plan. If the season ended today, the quarters would be:

USC v. Alabama
Texas v. Va. Tech
Miami v. Notre Dame
LSU v. Penn State

Not bad.

 

[tidwell]

Shaun Alexander was on Pardon the Interruption the other day, and he said he didn't like the idea of a playoff system in college ball. Said he likes the bowl system and how it's different in college than in the pros.

I sort of feel the same way... like the bowls and how it's different from the NFL, but I'd like to see a tournament at the same time. Maybe have the playoff/tournament in that down time in December to determine the major bowls.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Nov 14, 2005 4:04 PM
I'd go with the polls.  Sure there'd be some disputes about the 8 and 9 ranks. But better than the current plan.  If the season ended today, the quarters would be:

USC v. Alabama
Texas v. Va. Tech
Miami v. Notre Dame
LSU v. Penn State

Not bad.

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There's no way Notre Dame is better than Ohio State. Using the polls would play into Notre Dame's hands. They are always 3-5 spots higher in the polls than they warrant. If they want to be part of the system, let them join a conference and face the same obstacles all the other powers have to navigate.

 

[tidwell]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 3:10 PM
There's no way Notre Dame is better than Ohio State. Using the polls would play into Notre Dame's hands. They are always 3-5 spots higher in the polls than they warrant. If they want to be part of the system, let them join a conference and face the same obstacles all the other powers have to navigate.

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Yep. I'd bet anything Notre Dame will end up #2 in the final polls if they win out.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by tidwell@Nov 14, 2005 4:20 PM
Yep.  I'd bet anything Notre Dame will end up #2 in the final polls if they win out.

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Nah. They are pretty good this year. Took USC to the last moment. And, even if you are right, still a lot better than the system now.

I think the bowls could be used for the playoff games. Quarters would use one of the current BCS bowls plus three of the second tier bowls (Peach, Citrus, Gator). Semifinals use two of the remaining BCS big game bowls. Championship rotates as it does now. Start the weekend before xmas, then semifinals over weekend between xmas and New Year's (or on New Year's), then championship one week later. Extends the season by, what, 5-7 days?

Sell it to CBS or someone. They'd offer up billions upon billions for the broadcast rights. Dole it out like they do now to conferences with the teams actually playing getting a bigger share. Everybody makes out like bandits.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Nov 14, 2005 4:04 PM
I'd go with the polls.  Sure there'd be some disputes about the 8 and 9 ranks. But better than the current plan.  If the season ended today, the quarters would be:

USC v. Alabama
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That wouldn't be much of a game. Out of all the teams, Texas is the one that has the best chance of stopping USC. They would destroy Alabama.

 

[dan4vols]

I agree. Although I think Fresno State might upset USC saturday. The real question would be ....can Texas force USC to punt? 3rd down conversions by USC killed a fine ND effort.

 

[ukvols]

Here is my plan for an 8-team playoff...First round at campus sites the week after the conference finals. Semifinals make up two BCS bowls on New Years Day. Championship a week later in another BCS bowl. The other two BCS bowls (there will soon by five total) would involve the four teams who lose in the quarterfinals. The other bowls would stay the same. As for the 9th and 10th ranked teams having a gripe, who cares? Even March Madness leaves out a couple of teams with a legitimate gripe who probably aren't strong enough to win the tournament anyway. As for picking the teams, you'd obviously start with the major conference champions. You could also require the champions to be ranked at least 10th or 20th or whatever. Perhaps, if two conference champions aren't ranked very high, only the higher-ranked of the two goes. Again, whatever, just choose 8 teams somehow. The bottom line for me is that the SEC champion, regardless of their record, should have a shot at the title.

 

[Dagreek1998]

I think we need a playoff system and I think it will bring all teams involved more money without the elimination of the bowl series. An example

Take 15 current bowls; allow bidding by each bowl committee to set the order of importance.

Indepdence Bowl
Music City Bowl
Motor City Bowl
Sun Bowl
Insight.com Bowl
Holiday Bowl
Citrus Bowl
Peach Bowl
Cotton Bowl
Gator Bowl
Outback Bowl
Sugar Bowl
Rose Bowl
Fiesta Bowl
Orange Bowl

Now take the top 16 teams in the BCS, seed the 1-16. Allow the higher seeds (1-8) to select the bowl of their choice from the bottom eight bowls determined earlier.

Potential Format

(1) USC vs (16) Georgia @ Holiday Bowl
(2) Texas vs (15) Michigan @ Sun Bowl
(3) Miami vs (14) TCU @ Citrus Bowl
(4) Penn State vs (13) Auburn @ Motor City Bowl
(5) LSU vs (12) WVU @ Independence Bowl
(6) Va Tech vs (11) UCLA @ Music City Bowl
(7) Ohio State vs (10) Oregon @ Citrus Bowl
(8) Alabama vs Notre Dame @ Insight.com Bowl

The winners would then be placed in a pre-determine eight team bracket using the remaining bowls to represent those games.

Potential Format
Game One winner plays Game Eight winner @ Cotton Bowl
Game Two winner plays Game Seven winner @ Sugar Bowl
Game Three winner plays Game Six winner @ Outback Bowl
Game Four winner plays Game Five winner @ Gator Bowl

The remaining four teams would then be placed in the a four team bracket using the Rose, Fiesta, and finally the Orange bowl to determine the championship on the field.

This would mean that out of 117 div. 1 teams, only 16 have a post season. I don't think that is a problem. I mean if you go 6-5, you don't deserve bowl. There have been seven teams in the last three season that ended there seasons 6-6 after their bowls. That must go and I believe this allows the bowl atmosphere to continue and with allowing bidding, this will insure more money for the teams. Everyone wins
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[VolsWinRLose]

Originally posted by tidwell@Nov 14, 2005 2:59 PM
I guess they could do that with the conference champions, to avoid an Oklahoma situation from a couple years ago.

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I like the idea of using conference champions. Those teams could be seeded based on strength of schedule and whatever else would make it fair. I don't trust coaches or the media to make that decision b/c they've always got VA Tech way up there, and they're posers. An added bonus is that every conference would be forced to adopt a conference championship.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by Dagreek1998@Nov 14, 2005 6:06 PM
I think we need a playoff system and I think it will bring all teams involved more money without the elimination of the bowl series. An example

Take 15 current bowls; allow bidding by each bowl committee to set the order of importance.

Indepdence Bowl
Music City Bowl
Motor City Bowl
Sun Bowl
Insight.com Bowl
Holiday Bowl
Citrus Bowl
Peach Bowl
Cotton Bowl
Gator Bowl
Outback Bowl
Sugar Bowl
Rose Bowl
Fiesta Bowl
Orange Bowl

Now take the top 16 teams in the BCS, seed the 1-16. Allow the higher seeds (1-8) to select the bowl of their choice from the bottom eight bowls determined earlier.

Potential Format

(1) USC vs (16) Georgia @ Holiday Bowl
(2) Texas vs (15) Michigan @ Sun Bowl
(3) Miami vs (14) TCU @ Citrus Bowl
(4) Penn State vs (13) Auburn @ Motor City Bowl
(5) LSU vs (12) WVU @ Independence Bowl
(6) Va Tech vs (11) UCLA @ Music City Bowl
(7) Ohio State vs (10) Oregon @ Citrus Bowl
(8) Alabama vs Notre Dame @ Insight.com Bowl

The winners would then be placed in a pre-determine eight team bracket using the remaining bowls to represent those games.

Potential Format
Game One winner plays Game Eight winner @ Cotton Bowl
Game Two winner plays Game Seven winner @ Sugar Bowl
Game Three winner plays Game Six winner @ Outback Bowl
Game Four winner plays Game Five winner @ Gator Bowl

The remaining four teams would then be placed in the a four team bracket using the Rose, Fiesta, and finally the Orange bowl to determine the championship on the field.

This would mean that out of 117 div. 1 teams, only 16 have a post season. I don't think that is a problem. I mean if you go 6-5, you don't deserve bowl. There have been seven teams in the last three season that ended there seasons 6-6 after their bowls. That must go and I believe this allows the bowl atmosphere to continue and with allowing bidding, this will insure more money for the teams. Everyone wins
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Perfect plan. But it would be like asking a person who makes $250,000 a year if he/she wouldn't mind making only $30,000 a year.

 

[GeorgiaTider]

Originally posted by Jasongivm6@Nov 14, 2005 8:02 PM
Perfect plan.  But it would be like asking a person who makes $250,000 a year if he/she wouldn't mind making only $30,000 a year.

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And this is why we will prolly never see a true playoff in CFB. The money is too good in the current setup.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by GeorgiaTider@Nov 14, 2005 8:07 PM
And this is why we will prolly never see a true playoff in CFB. The money is too good in the current setup.

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I don't know what the numbers are from the bowls, but think about the tv rights to CFB playoffs. The NCAA BB tourney generates enormous dough -- this system even more.

 

[swami2302]

I think the money would be huge because of the potential matchups.
Non conference powers would play each other in the playoffs. I would love to see Tennessee vs. Texas(not this year) or Georgia vs. Oklahoma, etc,etc,etc. As a college football fan I would love to see new matchups in bowl/playoff games that don't include conference tie in's.

 

[jakez4ut]

I go back and forth about a play off...let's face it, one of the enduring attributes of CFB is the arguing....

but for any play off to work you'd have to take the subjectivity of the polls out of it...as long as polls are part of the equation, you'd have somebody complaining about they should be #16....

For any play off to work, and i really do like the one mentioned above by the way, it would have to consist of conference champions. And EVERY conference would have to play a conference championship game. It is completely unfair for the teams of the SEC, Big 12, ACC now to basically play what amounts to an elimination game...where USC, doesn't, and the winner of the Big 10 doesn't...

Right now, if you count the Indies as a "conference", there are 12 groups of teams out there. 5 of which currently play a conf. championship game.

You take the champs of each:
SEC
ACC
Big 10
Pac 10
Big 12
Big East
MAC
WAC
Sun Belt
Conf USA
Mountain West
Indies

And play them off in a seeded bracket, and if you want to base it off the polls, fine, but to qualify you have to win your conference, period. If you want to have wild cards, and add 4 more to get your 16, cool, in fact that would be fine...then you take the 4 highest ranked non conference winners from the BCS rankings and throw 'em in just for fun.

So, let's just say the year ended now, you'd have a bracket that looked like this:

1 USC (pac 10 champ) v. 16 Ark. State(Sun Belt champ)
2 Texas (big 12 champ) v. 15 Utep (C USA champ)
3 Miami (ACC champ) v. 14 Toledo (Mac Champ)
4 PSU (Big 10 champ) v. 13 Fresno St. (WAC Champ)
5 LSU (SEC Champ) v. 12 TCU (Mountain West Champ)
6 Va Tech--wild card v. 11. WVU (big East Champ)
7 Ohio St.--wild card v. 10 Oregon--wild card
8 Bama--wild card v. 9 Notre Dame (Indy Champ?)

You could use the same bowl format described above...but just take ONLY the top 16 out of it...YOU have to win your conference, period. No crying. No debate. yeah, Auburn, UCLA and Georgia get left out..and they are all three better than Ar. St, UTEP and Toledo...but each play in a conference that affords them a possible 2nd or 3rd spot in this play off by virtue of the conference they play in...5 out of 16 spots are from the "small" conf. That's 11 spots up for grabs for BCS conf. champs and wild cards, assuring all but one BCS conf. gets at least two teams in...And if no Indy team is ranked higher than 12 in the BCS, then they don't qualify. Thier spot would then be taken by the 5th highest ranked non conference winner in the BCS, and just for giggle, this year that would be Auburn, as of today.

Who does this favor? Notre Dame obviously...And the 2nd best team in two division conferences. either way, everybody wins...all the little guys get their shot...and all the big guys get to make thier money by multiple appearances by multiple teams in most years...

I'm going to copy right this thing...I'm the smartes man alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!! k:

 

[jakez4ut]

Originally posted by jakez4ut@Nov 14, 2005 9:43 PM
I'm going to copy right this thing...I'm the smartes man alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!! k:

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smartes man alive that can't spell smartes mind you. :mf_surrender:

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by jakez4ut@Nov 14, 2005 8:55 PM
smartes man alive that can't spell smartes mind you. :mf_surrender:

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Get used to your edit button and then you can continue being the smartes... :hi:

 

[jakez4ut]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Nov 14, 2005 10:01 PM
Get used to your edit button and then you can continue being the smartes... :hi:

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10-4 on that...

 

[lawgator1]

Jakez, I could go for your scenario, but only if the conferences were realigned. I do think Ga., LSU, Auburn, should go ahead of Toledo, UTEP, what have you. So re-do the conferences to prevent the SEC three month bloodbath and tell me where I sign.