BCS simulated top 25 rankings ahead of Week 7

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fossilfiction said:
I will say it, I miss the BCS. I like the playoffs, but bowl games and the entire season mattered more. Also, the crystal ball is superior to the golden cone!
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I hear this sentiment a lot. Is it nostalgia? Because having an undisputed (well, majority) National Champion has been the goal of both the BCS and the CFP.

I'm curious why everyone believes the bowls played around the BCS still mattered and the bowl games played around the CFP don't. Those bowl games had zero outcome for the BCS Champ just like they don't have any bearing on the CFP Champ.

Its literally the exact same scenario except the CFP has 2 more teams. Now maybe next year one could argue that the best teams are in the playoffs, so the bowls aren't as fun to watch without the heavyweights in them. But that hasn't been the case thus far.

They could put a bronzed turd on a trophy and if the Vols won it, I would be ecstatic.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I hear this sentiment a lot. Is it nostalgia? Because having an undisputed (well, majority) National Champion has been the goal of both the BCS and the CFP.

I'm curious why everyone believes the bowls played around the BCS still mattered and the bowl games played around the CFP don't. Those bowl games had zero outcome for the BCS Champ just like they don't have any bearing on the CFP Champ.

Its literally the exact same scenario except the CFP has 2 more teams. Now maybe next year one could argue that the best teams are in the playoffs, so the bowls aren't as fun to watch without the heavyweights in them. But that hasn't been the case thus far.

They could put a bronzed turd on a trophy and if the Vols won it, I would be ecstatic.
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Bottom line. People are gonna whine and moan no matter the forrmat in which a champion is crowned. Most Americans are hell bent on complaining. They love it and live it more than they even do thier favorite team.
 
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fossilfiction said:
I will say it, I miss the BCS. I like the playoffs, but bowl games and the entire season mattered more. Also, the crystal ball is superior to the golden cone!
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What are you talking about? Tennessee's season would be hypothetically over with the old BCS system. One loss and your season is over. No chance at winning a championship. No opportunity to improve.

Now, though we lost one game, we have the opportunity to make adjustments, change our approach, and become a better overall team and still have the chance of competing for a national championship.

It will only improve with an expanded playoff. Your season won't be over after one loss. It won't be about teams being perfect from day 1 as much as improving over the course of the season, vying for premium playoff positioning, and being the best version of yourself by season's end.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I hear this sentiment a lot. Is it nostalgia? Because having an undisputed (well, majority) National Champion has been the goal of both the BCS and the CFP.

I'm curious why everyone believes the bowls played around the BCS still mattered and the bowl games played around the CFP don't. Those bowl games had zero outcome for the BCS Champ just like they don't have any bearing on the CFP Champ.

Its literally the exact same scenario except the CFP has 2 more teams. Now maybe next year one could argue that the best teams are in the playoffs, so the bowls aren't as fun to watch without the heavyweights in them. But that hasn't been the case thus far.

They could put a bronzed turd on a trophy and if the Vols won it, I would be ecstatic.
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In the past, college football players rarely skipped bowl games, and it was generally frowned upon. The introduction of the College Football Playoff (CFP) changed this dynamic. Now, some players opt out of non-playoff bowl games to avoid injury and protect their NFL draft prospects. The shift in priorities is influenced by factors like the CFP's high-stakes nature and increased awareness of draft potential and earnings. While the old system valued team loyalty and every game, today's players make more calculated choices.

That said, you don't have to agree with me, but I liked watching my team's starters love the bowl game and want the W.
 
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fossilfiction said:
In the past, college football players rarely skipped bowl games, and it was generally frowned upon. The introduction of the College Football Playoff (CFP) changed this dynamic. Now, some players opt out of non-playoff bowl games to avoid injury and protect their NFL draft prospects. The shift in priorities is influenced by factors like the CFP's high-stakes nature and increased awareness of draft potential and earnings. While the old system valued team loyalty and every game, today's players make more calculated choices.

That said, you don't have to agree with me, but I liked watching my team's starters love the bowl game and want the W.
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Playoffs have zero to do with player skipping a bowl game. That is 100% driven by money.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
What are you talking about? Tennessee's season would be hypothetically over with the old BCS system. One loss and your season is over. No chance at winning a championship. No opportunity to improve.

Now, though we lost one game, we have the opportunity to make adjustments, change our approach, and become a better overall team and still have the chance of competing for a national championship.

It will only improve with an expanded playoff. Your season won't be over after one loss. It won't be about teams being perfect from day 1 as much as improving over the course of the season, vying for premium playoff positioning, and being the best version of yourself by season's end.
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Which part of my preference for the BCS did you struggle to interpret? My actual words or my point of view? Seems you got both so maybe you just want to sound sharp. I understand you. You want teams that lose two or three games to have a chance of upsetting a team that went undefeated because it's too hard to go undefeated.
 
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fossilfiction said:
In the past, college football players rarely skipped bowl games, and it was generally frowned upon. The introduction of the College Football Playoff (CFP) changed this dynamic. Now, some players opt out of non-playoff bowl games to avoid injury and protect their NFL draft prospects. The shift in priorities is influenced by factors like the CFP's high-stakes nature and increased awareness of draft potential and earnings. While the old system valued team loyalty and every game, today's players make more calculated choices.

That said, you don't have to agree with me, but I liked watching my team's starters love the bowl game and want the W.
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Simple way to keep your stars in your bowl games, make the players participation in the bowl game part of their NIL deal.
 
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1974Vol said:
Simple way to keep your stars in your bowl games, make the players participation in the bowl game part of their NIL deal.
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NIL cannot be performance based atp. Maybe that changes to some degree but it’s against the rules now
 
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VOLfrombama said:
NIL cannot be performance based atp. Maybe that changes to some degree but it’s against the rules now
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Yes, you can't tie it to how well you perform (yards rushing, passing, TFL's etc.) but I think it can be tied to participation, if you're not on the team you don't get paid.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Which part of my preference for the BCS did you struggle to interpret? My actual words or my point of view? Seems you got both so maybe you just want to sound sharp. I understand you. You want teams that lose two or three games to have a chance of upsetting a team that went undefeated because it's too hard to go undefeated.
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I struggle to intepret someone actually believes it was better back then.

I want an equitable college football landscape. The one where the team that is actually the best after the course of the season wins a championship.

Since teams essentially had to be undefeated to go to the old BCS, recruits had limited options if they wanted to compete for a championship. The landscape of college football is going to be a much better product overall becuase more teams can compete to prove themselves and more games will have actual implications instead of playing for meaningless bowl games.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
What are you talking about? Tennessee's season would be hypothetically over with the old BCS system. One loss and your season is over. No chance at winning a championship. No opportunity to improve.

Now, though we lost one game, we have the opportunity to make adjustments, change our approach, and become a better overall team and still have the chance of competing for a national championship.

It will only improve with an expanded playoff. Your season won't be over after one loss. It won't be about teams being perfect from day 1 as much as improving over the course of the season, vying for premium playoff positioning, and being the best version of yourself by season's end.
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The BCS was in existence for 16 years. In 10 of those seasons, the title game featured a team with at least one loss. So no, Tennessee’s season would not hypothetically be over if the BCS were still the format used to determine the champion.
 
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1974Vol said:
Simple way to keep your stars in your bowl games, make the players participation in the bowl game part of their NIL deal.
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vavolfan6 said:
I struggle to intepret someone actually believes it was better back then.

I want an equitable college football landscape. The one where the team that is actually the best after the course of the season wins a championship.

Since teams essentially had to be undefeated to go to the old BCS, recruits had limited options if they wanted to compete for a championship. The landscape of college football is going to be a much better product overall becuase more teams can compete to prove themselves and more games will have actual implications instead of playing for meaningless bowl games.
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You're actually fighting ghosts. As if I didn't also say I liked the playoff. You are making it sound like I am advocating for abolishing it. I simply enjoyed the best two teams for the entire season playing.
"I struggle to interpret someone actually believes it was better back" I can actually hear you slurping your Mountain Dew with a half smirk and head shake as you typed that.
 
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Boston Vol said:
The BCS was in existence for 16 years. In 10 of those seasons, the title game featured a team with at least one loss. So no, Tennessee’s season would not hypothetically be over if the BCS were still the format used to determine the champion.
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Their season is put of their control though and is dependent on no other teams going undefeated. Lose ganlme 1 of the season, and if there are two other teams that went undefeated, oh well according to the old model.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Their season is put of their control though and is dependent on no other teams going undefeated. Lose ganlme 1 of the season, and if there are two other teams that went undefeated, oh well according to the old model.
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Same with the four team playoff. Lose one game and you’re depending on the champions of the other four P5 conferences and Notre Dame to lose a game. Otherwise you’re getting left out of the playoffs.
 
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fossilfiction said:
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You're actually fighting ghosts. As if I didn't also say I liked the playoff. You are making it sound like I am advocating for abolishing it. I simply enjoyed the best two teams for the entire season playing.
"I struggle to interpret someone actually believes it was better back" I can actually hear you slurping your Mountain Dew with a half smirk and head shake as you typed that.
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And the two teams that are actually the best will end up proving themselves in a 12 team playoff and play in the championship.

Many times the BCS game involved a team like Notre Dame that played a cupcake independent schedule, went undefeated, then got rolled. Or Big 12 champions that didn't hold up against other schools in the national championship. There were a lot of pretenders who had weak competition in their conference.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I hear this sentiment a lot. Is it nostalgia? Because having an undisputed (well, majority) National Champion has been the goal of both the BCS and the CFP.

I'm curious why everyone believes the bowls played around the BCS still mattered and the bowl games played around the CFP don't. Those bowl games had zero outcome for the BCS Champ just like they don't have any bearing on the CFP Champ.

Its literally the exact same scenario except the CFP has 2 more teams. Now maybe next year one could argue that the best teams are in the playoffs, so the bowls aren't as fun to watch without the heavyweights in them. But that hasn't been the case thus far.

They could put a bronzed turd on a trophy and if the Vols won it, I would be ecstatic.
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Next year the arguments will be about who got higher seeds in the seedlings just like we argue about BBall. Some will feel they got screwed by the seedlings and their path was exponentially harder then the Big 10 school…..and the argument will probably be valid!!!
 
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Funny how the coaches poll has them ranked the same as the BCS. Most of these coaches have been around long enough to mirror the outdated BCS system.

Although not flawless, I prefer a committee of humans with emotions and intellect over an AI system.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Next year the arguments will be about who got higher seeds in the seedlings just like we argue about BBall. Some will feel they got screwed by the seedlings and their path was exponentially harder then the Big 10 school…..and the argument will probably be valid!!!
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Yeah, many thought Tennessee OR Bama, even with 2 losses, would be a better choice than TCU. Turns out they were right.
 
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