been awhile, but NASCAR finally gets something right

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#3
But Cup guys will still be able to run as many races as they want on Saturdays right? Or am I missing something?

Headline in November: "Your 2011 Nationwide champion, winner of zero races..."
 
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tidwell said:
But Cup guys will still be able to run as many races as they want on Saturdays right? Or am I missing something?

Headline in November: "Your 2011 Nationwide champion, winner of zero races..."
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I'm afraid that this will happen. The champion might be a series regular, but Busch, Edwards, and Keselowski will still win all the races.
 
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tidwell said:
But Cup guys will still be able to run as many races as they want on Saturdays right? Or am I missing something?

Headline in November: "Your 2011 Nationwide champion, winner of zero races..."
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I'd assume so. They are key for ticket sales, especially on weekends where they share the track.

I haven't looked for numbers, mind you, but I would wager that Busch attendance is quite a bit lower on weekends where they series coincide than when they run stand alone events.
 
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I thought they were limiting all guys to one series. close, but still not the right move.
 
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hahaha, what a typically ballsless move. Either kick them out all the way or quit masquerading Nationwide as some sort of ladder series. I say let 'em race and let 'em race for points. Quit messing with something that isn't broken.
 
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tidwell said:
But Cup guys will still be able to run as many races as they want on Saturdays right? Or am I missing something?

Headline in November: "Your 2011 Nationwide champion, winner of zero races..."
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Exactly. They should have put a cap on the amount of races Cup drivers are eligible for and even then they shouldn't receive points. With this though it allows the Cup guys to go all out week in and week out and not worry about the consequences which in turn will hurt the Nationwide guys competing for the championship.

Let's face it it, a guy like Kyle would simply push a guy out of the way since he wouldn't hurt him in the points. My guess is the "Champion" will come from either Sadler, Allgaier, or Almirola.
 
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This will most likely stop Cup drivers from entering most of the stand alone Nationwide races. Surely those on Cup weekends. So the Nationwide Champ should have a good chance of winning a race. I think there should be a cap on how many races a Cup driver can stoop down to.
 
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rbroyles said:
This will most likely stop Cup drivers from entering most of the stand alone Nationwide races. Surely those on Cup weekends. So the Nationwide Champ should have a good chance of winning a race. I think there should be a cap on how many races a Cup driver can stoop down to.
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I agree with this statement. When I was a kid going to the Bristol races in the late 80s/early 90s there were only a handful of Cup guys in the races but I still had just as good of a time rooting for the Busch drivers.

Either limit the total number of races full time Cup guys run in Nationwide or limit the number eligible per race. Really, isn't 6-8 Cup guys enough?

Does anyone else remember when it used to be special when a Cup guy ran a Busch race? There have always been more Cup guys run the Daytona and Charlotte races but other than that back in the late 80s/early 90s you would only have a few per week. Mark Martin did run a bunch at one time in that Winn-Dixie ride but he was the only one that ran a bunch of Busch races per year until the 2000's.

Wouldn't you think it would be pretty special if Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson dropped down and ran a Nationwide race right now? Since neither have ran in the series in quite some time it gives it more of an important feel.
 
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When they first started running the companion race at Bristol, it was still the Sportsman Division, and very few Cup drivers ran in it if any. Waltrip ran several, along with the Allisons and Morgan Sheppard, and the later on Harry Gant, Dale Jarret, and an occasional one time effort like Bobby Isaac or one of the local Cup drivers like Paul Lewis or Sherman Utsman.

My dad has a scrapbook of his Sportsman days, and I will see if I can get it to scan in some of the memorabilia in it if you guys are interested in seeing it.
 
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Its a start, I would like to see the cup guys out of Nationwide all together. Next I wish they would limit the number of teams on owner can have to 2.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
hahaha, what a typically ballsless move. Either kick them out all the way or quit masquerading Nationwide as some sort of ladder series. I say let 'em race and let 'em race for points. Quit messing with something that isn't broken.
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It is broken. That's why they're scrambling.
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The problem is that Nascar is in the entertainment business and cup guys sell tickets. I'm not sure how many people show up to see Jason Leffler battle Steven Wallace each week.
 
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crazyguy said:
It is broken. That's why they're scrambling.
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Like 615 said, NASCAR isn't in racing for the purity of racing. It's entertainment. It's done everything to make sure that that is the basis of the business model. And in that sense, NASCAR isn't broken. Yet.
 
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It waters down the main product. That's why nba guys don't play in the dleague.
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10-15 years ago the "Busch Series" was doing fine. Young drivers like Casey Atwood, Dale Earnhardt Jr, and Matt Kenseth were battling with veterans like Jeff Green, Elton Sawyer, and Tim Fedewa and cup drivers like Jeff Burton and Mark Martin were sprinkled in. Now, with the way sponsors drive everything, it will still continue to be cup drivers leading the way.
 
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615 Vol said:
The problem is that Nascar is in the entertainment business and cup guys sell tickets. I'm not sure how many people show up to see Jason Leffler battle Steven Wallace each week.
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I'd much rather see guys like Trevor Bayne and Justin Allgaier battling for wins then see Kyle Busch win every damn race.
 
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