Big 12 unanimously votes to bring back conference championship game in 2017

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The other day I read where FedEx was willing to pay for and sponsor the game. They had one exception though, the Big 12 would have to expand, and the Memphis Tigers would also have to get an invite to join the conference. We don't need Memphis in a Power 5 conference.
 
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ainge10heisman said:
The other day I read where FedEx was willing to pay for and sponsor the game. They had one exception though, the Big 12 would have to expand, and the Memphis Tigers would also have to get an invite to join the conference. We don't need Memphis in a Power 5 conference.
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That'd be interesting.
 
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I'd just like to see West Virginia in the ACC and out of the Big 12.
 
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ainge10heisman said:
The other day I read where FedEx was willing to pay for and sponsor the game. They had one exception though, the Big 12 would have to expand, and the Memphis Tigers would also have to get an invite to join the conference. We don't need Memphis in a Power 5 conference.
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Is there a reason FedEx cares about the tigers?
 
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eskimovol said:
Is there a reason FedEx cares about the tigers?
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Really? They are headquartered in Memphis and have their name on and/or support for a lot of local stuff.

If you can't sleep and you're in Memphis, go watch the nightly sort. Well, the aircraft arrivals and departures anyway.
 
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VolNExile said:
Really? They are headquartered in Memphis and have their name on and/or support for a lot of local stuff.

If you can't sleep and you're in Memphis, go watch the nightly sort. Well, the aircraft arrivals and departures anyway.
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Honestly didn't know that.haha I've never been there before. Gotta say though after being around an air force base for almost 10 years I can't wait for the day I never have to hear another jet.
 
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UTwild82 said:
I'd just like to see West Virginia in the ACC and out of the Big 12.
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Wont happen ACC doesn't view them as an academic asset although makes more geographical sense then being part of Big 12. Already had great rivalry with Pitt and VA Tech
 
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The Big 12 is in serious trouble especially if Baylor goes into hibernation again and Texas continues its purging
 
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eskimovol said:
Honestly didn't know that.haha I've never been there before. Gotta say though after being around an air force base for almost 10 years I can't wait for the day I never have to hear another jet.
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lol, I can imagine. I used to live in a triangle bordered by Hickam AFB, Barbers Point NAS, and Honolulu International. Visitors used to dive to the floor, thinking a plane was coming through the ceiling.

Apologies if I was being snarky. :hi:
 
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VolNExile said:
lol, I can imagine. I used to live in a triangle bordered by Hickam AFB, Barbers Point NAS, and Honolulu International. Visitors used to dive to the floor, thinking a plane was coming through the ceiling.

Apologies if I was being snarky. :hi:
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No worries, I didn't perceive it that way at all.
 
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The next decade or so will be incredibly interesting depending on how the Big XII decides to move forward. They have a clause in their media rights contracts with Fox and ESPN that guarantees an extra billion dollars to the conference should they expand to 14 teams... and it doesn't matter who the 14 teams are. So the Big XII could force a massive expense by the two most significant networks in college football.

But should they expand with four mid-majors that don't really bring an extra billion in value, then they will have to bank hard on the notion that the networks will really, really want Texas and Oklahoma when it comes time to renegotiate in 2025. Especially when one considers the money pit that is the Longhorn Network, could the networks simply say "Screw it. We're out,"?
 
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I'm assuming that the 10 team league will simply take the two highest ranked teams in the conference and play each other again. That sounds a lot more appealing than watching two 11-1 west teams not getting to play each other again because an 8-4 east entry is waiting in Atlanta. Let the two best teams in each conference fight it out in their CCG, regardless.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
I'm assuming that the 10 team league will simply take the two highest ranked teams in the conference and play each other again. That sounds a lot more appealing than watching two 11-1 west teams not getting to play each other again because an 8-4 east entry is waiting in Atlanta. Let the two best teams in each conference fight it out in their CCG, regardless.
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Not quite. While the NCAA changed the 12-team requirement as far as having a championship goes, the "having to divide a conference into divisions when having a conference championship" aspect hasn't been changed yet. While the ACC has requested that rule be changed (so they can just seed the two best teams), nothing has come of it yet. Until it does, the Big 12 would still have to use a two divisional set up.

In all honesty, they're likely looking at two-5 team divisions while still keeping a 9-conference game schedule, meaning everyone plays everyone. Unfortunately, that also means the Big 12 conference championship game is also going to be a rematch of a game from earlier in the year every season. As far as arrangement at this point...the "goal" / ideal from the current conference teams is likely a setup where Texas and Oklahoma can play each other in the conference title game, so something built around those two being in separate divisions (something like Oklahoma + OK St with the rest of the old Big 8 teams and Texas + the rest of the Texas schools + WVU).







And to be fair, no 4-loss team has ever made it to the SEC Championship in Atlanta.
 
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bamawriter said:
The next decade or so will be incredibly interesting depending on how the Big XII decides to move forward. They have a clause in their media rights contracts with Fox and ESPN that guarantees an extra billion dollars to the conference should they expand to 14 teams... and it doesn't matter who the 14 teams are. So the Big XII could force a massive expense by the two most significant networks in college football.

But should they expand with four mid-majors that don't really bring an extra billion in value, then they will have to bank hard on the notion that the networks will really, really want Texas and Oklahoma when it comes time to renegotiate in 2025. Especially when one considers the money pit that is the Longhorn Network, could the networks simply say "Screw it. We're out,"?
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Interesting. Where did you find this?
 
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TrueOrange said:
Not quite. While the NCAA changed the 12-team requirement as far as having a championship goes, the "having to divide a conference into divisions when having a conference championship" aspect hasn't been changed yet. While the ACC has requested that rule be changed (so they can just seed the two best teams), nothing has come of it yet. Until it does, the Big 12 would still have to use a two divisional set up.

In all honesty, they're likely looking at two-5 team divisions while still keeping a 9-conference game schedule, meaning everyone plays everyone. Unfortunately, that also means the Big 12 conference championship game is also going to be a rematch of a game from earlier in the year every season. As far as arrangement at this point...the "goal" / ideal from the current conference teams is likely a setup where Texas and Oklahoma can play each other in the conference title game, so something built around those two being in separate divisions (something like Oklahoma + OK St with the rest of the old Big 8 teams and Texas + the rest of the Texas schools + WVU).







And to be fair, no 4-loss team has ever made it to the SEC Championship in Atlanta.
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So an opportunity for the big 12 to not have to play the second best team in their conference. Truly a level playing field then.

Right, Miss State had 4 losses after the championship game. Who can forget the inaugural Pac12 CCG in 2011. 6-6 UCLA gets a rematch with the Ducks while 11-1 Stanford with QB Luck sits home and watches the humiliation.

And who would forget a 6-6 Georgia Tech going against Florida State in the 2012 ACCCG.

Not alway been pretty or humane.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Not quite. While the NCAA changed the 12-team requirement as far as having a championship goes, the "having to divide a conference into divisions when having a conference championship" aspect hasn't been changed yet. While the ACC has requested that rule be changed (so they can just seed the two best teams), nothing has come of it yet. Until it does, the Big 12 would still have to use a two divisional set up.
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Actually, the new rule allows conferences to play a championship if they divide into divisions OR play a full round robin. So the Big XII could, conceivably, keep their current format and take the two best teams at the end. But here's why they probably will go with divisions: if they were to have had a title game in place last year, Oklahoma and OK State would have played in consecutive weeks, with the first game being completely irrelevant. Had they been in divisions, then the Bedlam game would have been for the division title and the right to play in the championship game.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Interesting. Where did you find this?
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From Dennis Dodd

If the league expands by four teams, provisions in its contracts with ESPN and Fox provide money for that benchmark. If the expansion is by two teams, the increase would be $500 million.

Those rightsholders are contractually bound to provide "pro rata" for any new Big 12 members. That is, any new members would be paid an equal share of the current Big 12 members -- approximately $23 million per year.
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TUSKtimes said:
So an opportunity for the big 12 to not have to play the second best team in their conference. Truly a level playing field then.

Right, Miss State had 4 losses after the championship game. Who can forget the inaugural Pac12 CCG in 2011. 6-6 UCLA gets a rematch with the Ducks while 11-1 Stanford with QB Luck sits home and watches the humiliation.

And who would forget a 6-6 Georgia Tech going against Florida State in the 2012 ACCCG.

Not alway been pretty or humane.
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Either way, it's also always going to be a rematch in their case. The argument could also be made, at the same time, that if Oklahoma's only loss was to Texas, a 9-3 TCU beats Texas to move into second place, but OU had beaten that TCU team by 30 points...what's there for OU to prove here? Or even under "just using rankings," a situation like in 2014: if TCU blew a 21-point lead to Baylor, why should they get a second chance to pretend like they didn't? It's almost like what the setup brings about is the winning team having to prove that the first game wasn't a fluke (and the loser getting a chance to pretend the first game didn't happen).

Frankly, though, it doesn't matter in this case (nor do I really care, I'm just illustrating an opposing argument). It's what they as a conference have decided to do.




The point at the end, though, was that there hasn't been a team that's gone into the SEC Championship in Atlanta with a 4-loss record.

Yes, you've had 3 teams at 8-3 in 1995 Arkansas, 1998 Mississippi State, and 2001 LSU, but these were all from the 11-game regular season before 2006, when teams started being allowed to play an FCS team every season which shifted the entirety of the college football scheduling norm from 11 regular season games to 12 games. Adjusting for the extra FCS or mid-major cupcake all would have played, they would have been 9-3 on a modern schedule before playing in Atlanta. Even since 2006, the worst records that have made it to Atlanta have been a 9-3 2007 Tennessee and a 9-3 2010 South Carolina (not to mention those teams mentioned - save 2001 LSU and 2010 South Carolina - were still at least 6-2 in conference play.)


(Also, come on...the only reason that a 6-6 UCLA team was in the Pac-12 championship was because the 10-2 USC team that should have been playing was ineligible due to ban from bowl games that year. I've not been saying it's perfect by any means - a system based on poll rankings wouldn't be either - but you're also kind of making it sound like it's completely broken.)
 
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bamawriter said:
Actually, the new rule allows conferences to play a championship if they divide into divisions OR play a full round robin. So the Big XII could, conceivably, keep their current format and take the two best teams at the end. But here's why they probably will go with divisions: if they were to have had a title game in place last year, Oklahoma and OK State would have played in consecutive weeks, with the first game being completely irrelevant. Had they been in divisions, then the Bedlam game would have been for the division title and the right to play in the championship game.
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You're right. I was mistaken on that. It can be divisions or a full round robin.

And I agree, I think in this case you're more likely to see divisions to avoid situations like that, as well as that the setup gives a better chance/route for the Big 12 conference holding conference championship games with their two highest ratings / biggest fanbase teams as participants (Texas and Oklahoma).
 
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TrueOrange said:
(Also, come on...the only reason that a 6-6 UCLA team was in the Pac-12 championship was because the 10-2 USC team that should have been playing was ineligible because it was banned from bowl games that year. I've not been saying it's perfect by any means - a system based on poll rankings wouldn't be either - but you're also kind of making it sound like it's completely broken.)
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USC wasn't the point either. The 11-1 Stanford team in the north with Oregon was and is. You do realize if you take the two best teams in the conference it's simply foolproof. The CCG is also that much closer to being a true playoff game. If by chance two good teams don't exist they are forgiven.


Completely broken is what we had in college football the first 100 years until the BCS.
 
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