Bigger blunder : Iraqi invasion or coronavirus response

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midnight orange

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I’m just wondering how perception is going to be in five years on how the government handled the coronavirus response. Will it compare in destruction to the Iraqi invasion that was waged with overwhelming support? Will people look back and say they never supported the response like they now deny they supported the Iraqi invasion?
 
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MG1968 said:
Wouldn’t a better comparison be between the pre- and post-Katrina response? The Iraq invasion didn’t involve local government.
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Maybe, but the Katrina fiasco was way more regionalized. The shutting down of the economy has the potential to much more future harm. The federal govt has spent trillions on this that we don’t have. If we get into a hyperinflation scenario, there will be deaths as a result.
 
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MG1968 said:
Wouldn’t a better comparison be between the pre- and post-Katrina response? The Iraq invasion didn’t involve local government.
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I disagree. But let us go along with that line of thinking and compare all 3 events. Katrina's loss of life and property and economic impact pails in comparison to Iraq II and Coronavirus. There is no comparison. Not even in the same category.
 
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Now, I voted for coronavirus. What have we spent in Iraq... $6-7 trillion? Some say as much as $15 trillion in terms of off book accounting? Maybe lost a million lives or so?

Coronavirus and the response to it will make Iraq War look like Katrina. We are talking about the entire global economy and who knows how many indirect lives lost to suicide, civil unrest, starvation, etc.
 
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Iraq. Hands down. Never had to happen. Less American deaths but total deaths is way more.

No response for China Flu would have been good enough. We would have had to stop all air travel back in December. No one in or out of the country. Everyone confined to their dwellings.
 
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One was completely avoidable. Seems a lot easier to list that as the bigger failure. Corona was going to hit and hit hard no matter what. The US response would not have saved the world economy. Would have shortened the duration of the fallout, but that's assuming we just did this magical "better" that no one can really define.

Iraq 2 also unsettled that whole region sparking who knows how many side conflicts, deaths, and acts of terrorism world wide. ISIS directly came up from what we did in Iraq. The migration of millions into Europe, not necessarily a bad thing. But it is causing ripples already which may break up the EU. Or at least continue to weaken it.

Our involvement there weakened us elsewhere and also weakened our political standing.
 
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midnight orange said:
I’m just wondering how perception is going to be in five years on how the government handled the coronavirus response. Will it compare in destruction to the Iraqi invasion that was waged with overwhelming support? Will people look back and say they never supported the response like they now deny they supported the Iraqi invasion?
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Midnight, I just thought about it. You need to modify your poll question. The second Iraq invasion was a direct consequence of the 911 debacle. A better question would be to choose between 911 or coronavirus...
 
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"Trump botched the response" is a paper tiger for the Dems, plain and simple. It's just a non starter when there are so many Democrats out there saying they got exactly what they needed from the federal government. Virtually no cases of anyone dying while seeking treatment that wasn't available.

Meanwhile and not for nothing, our case fatality rate per million is middle of the pack with European countries. It would be one of the best if not for New York, where their governor is being declared some sort of hero for no apparent reason.
 
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Hitlery killed Seth Rich. Seth Rich was his name. Where’s the vote on this up there? Iraq war botched. Biggest political spy gate in history, where is the vote for this up there? Hitlery botched the 33,000 emails, where is all of this?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Midnight, I just thought about it. You need to modify your poll question. The second Iraq invasion was a direct consequence of the 911 debacle. A better question would be to choose between 911 or coronavirus...
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The only issue I would have with that is that there is evidence that Downing Street and D.C. were working on Iraqi regime change in the summer of 2001, before 911. 911 definitely made it easier to sell the invasion, but it’s possible that Iraq War II occurs without 911.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I'm concerned about the Patriot Act- like legislation that will likely be born out of this whole thing, not to mention the precedence being set that many Americans will gladly follow every government order.
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The bad thing about the coronavirus response was that there wasn’t even any legislation. It was mostly accomplished through edict. The precedent has now been set that gives a president or governor unlimited powers in the event of an “emergency”.
 
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I didnt take this as a liberal question...it wasnt constrained to just the US response to the virus...I think everyone except Sweden pretty much screwed the pooch. Economic suicide. Not to mention TRAMPLING our Constitutional rights...

Also wasnt defined as which Iraq war...desert storm...desert shield..etc.

The 1st war in Iraq was completely justified. They invaded Kuwait...we kicked that ass. Simple and plain. No question there IMO. I hate the liberal "war for oil" bullcrap...we didnt want or need their oil, and to scream that shows ignorance. Saudi Arabia produces more oil than all the rest and are our strongest allies in the ME...we didnt attack Iraq over oil...

I voted for the Rona by the way. We have yet to see what this will do economically...presidentially...or in BS legislation being passed like the garbage Patriot act....
 
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midnight orange said:
The bad thing about the coronavirus response was that there wasn’t even any legislation. It was mostly accomplished through edict. The precedent has now been set that gives a president or governor unlimited powers in the event of an “emergency”.
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The saddest part is how many people are ok with it so long as they are scared. And it took a pissant virus to panic much of the population.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I didnt take this as a liberal question...it wasnt constrained to just the US response to the virus...I think everyone except Sweden pretty much screwed the pooch. Economic suicide. Not to mention TRAMPLING our Constitutional rights...

Also wasnt defined as which Iraq war...desert storm...desert shield..etc.

The 1st war in Iraq was completely justified. They invaded Kuwait...we kicked that ass. Simple and plain. No question there IMO. I hate the liberal "war for oil" bullcrap...we didnt want or need their oil, and to scream that shows ignorance. Saudi Arabia produces more oil than all the rest and are our strongest allies in the ME...we didnt attack Iraq over oil...

I voted for the Rona by the way. We have yet to see what this will do economically...presidentially...or in BS legislation being passed like the garbage Patriot act....
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The 1st Iraq war was just as crooked and unnecessary, imo. There was plenty of shady justifications for that nonsense also. The approval of the invasion after talking with April Glasper, the broken promises by Kuwait, the Saudis and Western interests with regards to oil production cuts, the false stories of Iraqis removing babies from incubators, etc. Not to mention, why is it any of our business what happens if a war goes on halfway around the globe?
 
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midnight orange said:
The bad thing about the coronavirus response was that there wasn’t even any legislation. It was mostly accomplished through edict. The precedent has now been set that gives a president or governor unlimited powers in the event of an “emergency”.
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The legislation is coming. All that remains is too see how much freedom will be taken from us.
 
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