BigXII CG vs SECCG

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The SECCG has helped to vault 4 teams into National Championships (1996 Florida, 2003 LSU, 2006 Florida and 2007 LSU) while only hurt our 2001 team and marginally the 1994 Alabama team that would've likely have finished 3rd if they had won out that year(Though you know they would've found a way to claim that one, too.)

The BigXII championship has knocked out 4 Big XII teams from playing for a national championship.

1996 Texas beat #3Nebraska(the same year Florida overcame a late season loss to rematch Florida St and win the NC)
1998 Texas A&M beat #2 Kansas State
2001 Colorado beat #3 Texas (but this actually allowed Nebraska who had lost the North division back into the BCSNCG)
2007 Oklahoma beat #1 Missouri

Also 2003 Kansas State beat Oklahoma but Oklahoma still played for the NC.

How would the SEC react if the SECCG had cost us a chance at 4 national championships? I kind of understand why they are in no hurry to replace Colorado or Nebraska.
 
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This conference is dead and you'll begin to notice effective 2011.

SECede.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
This conference is dead and you'll begin to notice effective 2011.

SECede.
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I wouldn't mind giving you Arkansas so you can keep the Big 12 together, and then poaching Clemson from the ACC.

You can keep your team, though. I never really understood the argument for the SEC picking up Texas A&M.
 
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volinexile17 said:
I wouldn't mind giving you Arkansas so you can keep the Big 12 together, and then poaching Clemson from the ACC.

You can keep your team, though. I never really understood the argument for the SEC picking up Texas A&M.
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Yeah but wouldn't Clemson be in the East? Who would move from the East to the West?
 
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Its not gonna happen. The Big12-2 is dead.

You'll need to come to grips with us coming though. Somewhere within the next five years I'd bet.
 
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UTK said:
Yeah but wouldn't Clemson be in the East? Who would move from the East to the West?
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Vandy. Nashville is further west the Auburn and roughly due north of Tuscaloosa.

Then we can switch out permanent SEC West team from Alabama to Vandy. I'll take our free one game advantage over the rest of the division.
 
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mchandl7 said:
Vandy. Nashville is further west the Auburn and roughly due north of Tuscaloosa.

Then we can switch out permanent SEC West team from Alabama to Vandy. I'll take our free one game advantage over the rest of the division.
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That would suck. Lets put UGA in the west. Leave the Permanent to Bama. Thats the biggest game of the year. :rock:
 
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As much as I HATE the current power structure of the Big 12, I wouldn't be so fast at calling them a dead conference. Here are my reasons:

My reasons are all predicated on the notion that the three marquis Big12 powers are Texas, OU and Tam.

1. Texas is THRILLED right now that they can play in a conference with less competition than the SEC, yet still play their big rivalries against Tam and OU. The rest of their schedule is made up of all regional teams from the area. They will receive a majority of the new tv money and they have their own network that they some how scamed ESPN into overpaying for. They are going nowhere.

2. OU really places a great deal of importance on their rivalry with Texas. They can go into that state and win recruiting battles against Texas, which is special. Furthermore, they've proven that they can beat Texas the majority of the time and have the inside route to win the Big 12. It wouldn't get any easier in the SEC. Texas made sure they'll get a lion's share of the new T.V. money. OU isn't going anywhere.

3. Tam cannot separate themselves from Texas - politics won't allow that. Therefore, they aren't going anywhere either.

Next are the 3 remaining B12 South teams - Baylor is thankful its in any BCS conference, same with TTU. OSU is similarly tied to OU as Tam is with UT, but to a lesser extent. Nonetheless, they are receiving favorable terms from the upcoming TV money.

That leaves just the 4 remaining Big12 north teams: MU, KU, KSU and ISU. Those teams only option right now is the BigEast together, which is unlikely. In the future, one or some of those teams may receive other offers/overtures, but would this be enough to cause uneasiness with the South teams? UNLIKELY. They couldn't care less about the North. Even if one or more of those teams leave, they could probably be replaced without too much anxiety.

I'm not saying the B12 will remain the same as it will be next year forever, but the current B12 south is sitting VERY pretty right now and are probably more unified than ever (with the exception of Tam fans - but the state legislature overrules them).

PS - sorry this was so long
 
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I think you're wrong but you're entitled to your own thoughts. We'll see.
 
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We'll be in the West so yall need to look towards the ACC I suppose.

Clemson is/has been, a wannabe SEC school for a while. Too many "Tigers"? I dont know.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I think you're wrong but you're entitled to your own thoughts. We'll see.
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That's cool. I'd be interested in hearing why you are so sure things are dead.

I'd love to believe the same, but for the life of me I just can't right now.
 
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I dont think any of the bottom tier schools will turn down a chance to benefit themselves and are willing to bolt, provided they get the opportunity. Mizzou included. They tried, but were denied.

The first/next chip to fall wont be one of the bread winners. It'll be Iowa State, Baylor, Tech, Mizzou or Kansas Lite. They all have nothing to lose and everything to gain as far as major market sports revenue is concerned. Hell, Kansas Lite took a bowl game in NYC in the middle of winter.

They'll fold up, and the dominoes will begin to fall. Troy will burn, and t.u. will get to play an OOC game every year on Thanksgiving against an SEC team. Texas A&M.


Beebe made promises he cant keep and frankly, he got bullied by Nebraska when it came to collecting money owed. He's weak, incompetent, and will lose what he "saved" sooner than later. t.u./aTm/Ou did him a favor.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I dont think any of the bottom tier schools will turn down a chance to benefit themselves and are willing to bolt, provided they get the opportunity. Mizzou included. They tried, but were denied.

The first/next chip to fall wont be one of the bread winners. It'll be Iowa State, Baylor, Tech, Mizzou or Kansas Lite. They all have nothing to lose and everything to gain as far as major market sports revenue is concerned. Hell, Kansas Lite took a bowl game in NYC in the middle of winter.

They'll fold up, and the dominoes will begin to fall. Troy will burn, and t.u. will get to play an OOC game every year on Thanksgiving against an SEC team. Texas A&M.


Beebe made promises he cant keep and frankly, he got bullied by Nebraska when it came to collecting money owed. He's weak, incompetent, and will lose what he "saved" sooner than later. t.u./aTm/Ou did him a favor.
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Everything in bold I agree with 100%. With that said, I'll address the rest.

Mizzou absolutely did try to bolt, however I'm not sold on the fact that they have been completely denied at this point in time. I'm certainly biased and hopeful in this regard, but I am more inclined to believe that they were told to wait instead of get lost entirely.

Baylor isn't going anywhere.

I think that the "non-bread-winners" do have a lot to lose by leaving (TX recruiting, tradition, comfort). Nonetheless, even if one or more of those teams DO bolt, I don't see how that effects the southern B12 teams. The TV stations have made it clear who they care about in the B12 and none of the northern teams are included on that list.

Therefore, my ultimate point is that even if/when this does happen, Texas, OU and Tam won't lose much of anything.

Texas, OU and Tam didn't do Beebe any favors. They did themselves (and especially Texas) favors by securing more TV money with less mouths to feed. Furthermore, Beebe didn't make any promises to those teams. Do you really think that Texas just sat back and let that clown do all the negotiating for them?? **** no! Beebe was doing what Texas told him to do.
 
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Im under the impression that Beebe owes the BoR of Texas A&M a Thank You card. Austin attempted to dictate terms, and had their bluff called. Slive didnt fly into Easterwood Air Port because he wanted to go get a burger and play dominoes at the Dixie Chicken.

The $ and the TV deal are nothing more than band aides. Lastly, concerning Baylor I'll add this. They'd bolt for the MAC or CUSA in a heartbeat once they saw the writing on the wall that their big brothers are leaving them behind. That's more their caliber of competition anyhow.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Im under the impression that Beebe owes the BoR of Texas A&M a Thank You card. Austin attempted to dictate terms, and had their bluff called. Slive didnt fly into Easterwood Air Port because he wanted to go get a burger and play dominoes at the Dixie Chicken.

The $ and the TV deal are nothing more than band aides. Lastly, concerning Baylor I'll add this. They'd bolt for the MAC or CUSA in a heartbeat once they saw the writing on the wall that their big brothers are leaving them behind. That's more their caliber of competition anyhow.
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I know there was a big movement among the fans and some admin at Tam to go to the SEC. Certainly the talks with Slive were real. However, I'm not so sure that the BoR at Tam had any real choice. I think its more likely that texas politics said no to Tam bolting.

Baylor may very well feel comfortable going to the MAC or CUSA IF they felt that big bro was leaving them. My point is that Big bro isn't going anywhere. Texas likes where they are, as does OU, Tam's hands are tied, and the rest of the south knows they have it better now than they every would anywhere else.

The tv money is absolutely a bandaid for the non-bread-winning schools, but its a long-term solution for Texas, OU and Tam because they are getting a much larger portion of that money than the rest of the league. Sure, after a few years MU and KSU will get pissed and moan and groan, but what else is new?

As long as the big three stick together, which I have seen absolutely NO information to indicate anything to the contrary, then the rest of the B12south stays with them. And, as I've said earlier, neither they nor the networks care about what the four north teams do.
 
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QUOTE=TXVOL07;4398422]Im under the impression that Beebe owes the BoR of Texas A&M a Thank You card. Austin attempted to dictate terms, and had their bluff called. Slive didnt fly into Easterwood Air Port because he wanted to go get a burger and play dominoes at the Dixie Chicken.

The $ and the TV deal are nothing more than band aides. Lastly, concerning Baylor I'll add this. They'd bolt for the MAC or CUSA in a heartbeat once they saw the writing on the wall that their big brothers are leaving them behind. That's more their caliber of competition anyhow.[/QUOTE]The word I'm hearing out of Waco is that Baylor might have eyes for the Big East. With TCU joining the Big East it would make Baylor more of an option. As far as aTm goes, if they are going to make the break from UT now's the time. With Gov Perry being a former Ag cheerleader he is in a position to make it happen. He has also loaded the Tech BOR with former Ags so it might be a package deal.
 
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