Bin Laden driver sentenced to 5 1/2 years

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with 5 of them being retroactive

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (CNN) -- A jury of six military officers Thursday sentenced Osama bin Laden's former driver to five-and-a-half years in prison after his conviction on charges of providing material support to al Qaeda.
After Salim Haman serves his sentence, he could still be kept as an enemy combatant at Guantanamo Bay.
He has been imprisoned at the U.S. military detention center since 2002 and has been credited with 61 months served. That means that he has five months left to serve.
Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said after the verdict Wednesday that Hamdan was now a "convicted war criminal" and that he was "no longer considered an enemy combatant."
But on Thursday, Whitman said Hamdan's status would revert to "enemy combatant" when his sentence is completed.
As an enemy combatant, Hamdan can be held indefinitely by the United States, although he would be eligible to appeal to an administrative review board to determine whether his status as an enemy combatant should continue.
Prosecutors recommended a sentence of 30 years to life in prison, while defense attorneys sought a sentence of 45 months or less.
The jury cleared Hamdan of terrorism conspiracy charges, including that he conspired with others to carry out the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Hamdan testified that he was "shocked" when he found out about the September 11 attacks, and expressed sorrow as he pleaded for leniency at a sentencing hearing in Guantanamo Bay.
"It was impossible in my mind that Osama bin Laden would be behind it," said Hamdan who was working for him at the time of the attacks.


"My view and my thinking had changed completely. It was big shock for me when someone had treated you with respect and regard, and then you realize what they were up to," he said.
"It was a sorry or sad thing to see innocent people killed. I don't know what could be given or presented to these innocent people who were killed in the U.S.," Hamdan said, speaking through an Arab-language translator.
"I personally present my apologies to them, if anything what I did have caused them pain," he said.
In making his case, Hamdan pointed out that Australian David Hicks, who pleaded guilty last year to supporting terrorism, was sentenced to nine months instead of the seven years recommended by a jury.
The judge allowed Hicks, who had been at Guantanamo for more than five years, to serve his time in Australia. Hicks admitted training with al Qaeda in Afghanistan, where he was captured in December 2001, one month after Hamdan was taken into custody.
"He is free with his family right now, with his children," Hamdan said.
He told the court that he had only an employee-employer relationship -- a relationship of respect -- with the al Qaeda leader.
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Hamdan tried to make the case to jurors that he was only a driver, and described his relationship with bin Laden as "normal."
He said he treated bin Laden as an employee would treat a boss and, in turn, bin Laden treated him in a way that took into account his position.
"I respected him, and he respected me," Hamdan said. "I regarded him, and he regarded me."
Hamdan was cool and calm as he addressed the court, wearing a light-colored jacket, a white shirt and traditional white headdress.
He was taken into custody in southern Afghanistan in November 2001. Though the car he was driving contained missiles, he said from the beginning the car was borrowed and the missiles weren't his. He repeated his assertions Thursday.
He made some of his comments in a closed session, which the government said was necessary in case classified information was raised.
Hamdan testified he had wanted to settle in his native country, Yemen, but after the attack in 2000 by an explosives-laden motorboat on the USS Cole in Yemen's Gulf of Aden, which killed 17 American sailors, he and his wife left the country.
According to Hamdan, Yemeni media were blaming the attack on the Israeli Mossad, and he didn't know until later that al Qaeda was behind it.
When the U.S.-led war began in Afghanistan after 9/11, Hamdan said, he took his family to Pakistan for their safety, and he left them to return the car he had borrowed.
During the trial, prosecutors argued Hamdan became a member of al Qaeda in 1996 and conspired with the group on terrorist attacks. They alleged that Hamdan overheard conversations about 9/11 and claimed to have other information showing he was part of bin Laden's inner circle.
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The defense contended that Hamdan was a low-level driver who knew little about the workings of bin Laden's al Qaeda network. They said he worked for wages, not to wage war against America.
The trial began July 22, and deliberations started Monday.
First, the military tribunal has cleared him of terrorism charges, but given him a sentence for aiding Al-Qaeda. So, when his sentence is up, why shouldn't he be freed?

Now, for the possible political ramifications, because we know they are there. Let's say a question about this comes up in the debate. If you are Barack Obama how can you answer the question?

What do you guys think about the whole situation?
 
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First, the military tribunal has cleared him of terrorism charges, but given him a sentence for aiding Al-Qaeda. So, when his sentence is up, why shouldn't he be freed?

So you're driving in a car with a man determined to kill and never heard a word. Then the car you're driving has missiles in it but they're not his because he's just borrowing a friends car and had no idea. Sounds like the excuse for every person in the US caught with weed. Forget him, he knew what was going on and chose poorly.

Now, for the possible political ramifications, because we know they are there. Let's say a question about this comes up in the debate. If you are Barack Obama how can you answer the question?

Whatever this says :p

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and trash about believing the Israelis were responsible for the USS Cole bombing is enough to warrant a lifetime visit to Gitmo.
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with 5 of them being retroactive

First, the military tribunal has cleared him of terrorism charges, but given him a sentence for aiding Al-Qaeda. So, when his sentence is up, why shouldn't he be freed?

Now, for the possible political ramifications, because we know they are there. Let's say a question about this comes up in the debate. If you are Barack Obama how can you answer the question?

What do you guys think about the whole situation?
So there was no real evidence of him either being a terrorist or committing terrorist acts. He was still involved with Al Qaeda, that alone is enough reason to keep him under key in some facility.
 
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My understanding was that he has not served the entire 5 and 1/2 years. We'll see if he's released or not in a couple months.

I've heard several times that these tribunals ensure as much or more rights than similar trials by international tribunals such as those at the Hague. Can anyone confirm that?

All-in-all, I'd have to say the trial was as much of a success as one could hope for. It meets the constraints from the Supreme Court and had a ruling that doesn't look like a sham.

I believe BO has argued for full U.S. citizen trial rights (access to standard U.S. courts) for these guys. I couldn't disagree more with him on that point.
 
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As I understand it, his admittance to being a member of AQ will keep him detained indefinitely. The 5 1/2 year sentence need only apply should we sign any sort of Treaty with AQ.
 
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I am doing my best to stay busy. Rainy day here in Kansas though. Olympics aren't all that entertaining. I figured I might see what is going on in the old neighborhood of VN.
 
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I hear ya Trut, good to see you back. Hey, a little off topic, but what are your thoughts on the Russia and Georgia deal? I think that could get messy real quick.
 
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I find it funny that ever since November 2002, the world community has been increasingly leveling the charge that Americans are imperialists who are consumed with a blood-lust for oil.

This past week, Russia steps in to what was an extremely tense situation in a sovereign state, escalates the situation to high-intensity combat operations, and prepares to occupy S. Ossetia (which would be a prime staging point to move against the Tblisi and gain control of the pipeline). World opinion though is much more tolerant and resembles a tone much of "Oh, that's just Russia being Russia...haha, silly Rooskies."

Georgia poses absolutely no external threat to their neighbors, to include Russia. The only justification for Russia's aggression is oil. If they gain an access control point on that pipeline, then they have gained considerable ability to "persuade" Azerbaijan to "trade" with them at a very favorable rate.
 
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I find it funny that ever since November 2002, the world community has been increasingly leveling the charge that Americans are imperialists who are consumed with a blood-lust for oil.

This past week, Russia steps in to what was an extremely tense situation in a sovereign state, escalates the situation to high-intensity combat operations, and prepares to occupy S. Ossetia (which would be a prime staging point to move against the Tblisi and gain control of the pipeline). World opinion though is much more tolerant and resembles a tone much of "Oh, that's just Russia being Russia...haha, silly Rooskies."

Georgia poses absolutely no external threat to their neighbors, to include Russia. The only justification for Russia's aggression is oil. If they gain an access control point on that pipeline, then they have gained considerable ability to "persuade" Azerbaijan to "trade" with them at a very favorable rate.

most of the world is socialist, so Russia will continue to be given a pass.
 
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Really no different than the Kuwait situation.
Excuse me? You are going to have to really eleborate your position on this because you have just blown my mind if you are implying that Russia's actions this past week are no different than our actions in the Gulf War.
 
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Surely this can be viewed as the Russians trying to help the South Ossetians gain independence, right? I'm sure their motives are as pure as a Russian snowfall.
 
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After all, Russia is the beacon on the hill. It would be fun if the USSR consolidated all their old territory, did the overt Commie aggressor thing again, and then in the end gave us more fun words, like perestroika and glasnost to throw around.
 
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I would bet that whatever passes for moveon.org in the EU is already preparing a massive demonstration to protest the oil imperialism and naked aggression of Genghis Putin.

then again, moveon.org is friendly with a number of communist organizations, like International ANSWER.
 

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