"Birthers" vindicated?

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sjt18

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When the topic of Obama's birth certificate comes up here, we get all sorts of handwaving from our resident lefties. We have been assured even with links to images and "FactCheck" that BHO is hiding nothing. His birth certificate is out there to be viewed by everyone.

So.... why would the Dem governor of Hawaii be wanting to release his birth certificate? Why the stories about it being against the law without the permission of the person? If his real birth certificate is already out there then what exactly is going on?


FTR, if there ever was a problem then I believe it has already been "fixed" Chicago style... so no, the left has nothing to worry about as long as all the details were considered and voices silenced.
 
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I thought it was a Republican governor of Hawaii who said there was no real controversy.
 
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Evasion again LG?

If there is nothing to hide then why is something hidden? You and others claimed that his bc was already released... Were you wrong? If not, what does this governor want to release?

I'm really not concerned with the bc itself at this point. I am just demonstrating that lefties such as yourself are in such a rush to discredit people and positions that you disagree with that you will deny facts or believe/spread lies to achieve that end.

You guys insisted that his birth records were fully revealed... that does not seem to be the case.
 
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sjt18 said:
Evasion again LG?

If there is nothing to hide then why is something hidden? You and others claimed that his bc was already released... Were you wrong? If not, what does this governor want to release?

I'm really not concerned with the bc itself at this point. I am just demonstrating that lefties such as yourself are in such a rush to discredit people and positions that you disagree with that you will deny facts or believe/spread lies to achieve that end.

You guys insisted that his birth records were fully revealed... that does not seem to be the case.
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The problem seems to be that every time something is given out, the conspiracy theorists just make up something about it. In other words, no matter what is done to address this issue, it just fans the flames because the people who believe that he is not U.S.-born simply will never give that up. So why try to convince the unconvinceable?

Meanwhile, was I right? That the original Hawaii governor to say this is all BS is Republican? Really cannot remember and just wanted to make sure we are addressing this factually. (which I realize does not appeal to you).
 
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you must admit it's a bit strange they can't produce it.

Hawaii Governor Claims Record of Obama's Birth 'Exists in Archives' But Can't Produce the Vital Document - Obama Birth Certificate - Fox Nation

He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate


Interesting: http://www.mediaite.com/online/gove...ls-friend-that-there-is-no-birth-certificate/
 
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I don't think it will lead to anything but I requested my birth certificate from GA and had it in my hands in less than a week. Maybe this is the famous "Hawaii time"?
 
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droski said:
you must admit it's a bit strange they can't produce it.

Hawaii Governor Claims Record of Obama's Birth 'Exists in Archives' But Can't Produce the Vital Document - Obama Birth Certificate - Fox Nation

He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate


Interesting: Barack Obama Birth Certificate | Mike Evans | Video | Mediaite
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So is that saying that some clerk at the time made a notation but did not record the correct version of the birth certificate? If so, what does that mean? The Constitution does not require a birth certificate -- it requires you be born in the country. So if someone didn't record the right document in 1961, that isn't a disqualifier, is it?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The Constitution does not require a birth certificate -- it requires you be born in the country. So if someone didn't record the right document in 1961, that isn't a disqualifier, is it?
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so if a person can't prove they meet the requirements we should just take their word for it?
 
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lawgator1 said:
So is that saying that some clerk at the time made a notation but did not record the correct version of the birth certificate? If so, what does that mean? The Constitution does not require a birth certificate -- it requires you be born in the country. So if someone didn't record the right document in 1961, that isn't a disqualifier, is it?
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your mom doesn't have your birth certificate? really. this shouldn't be so hard.

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What could it be that would be so embarrassing?
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maybe he's listed as white on the birth certificate. maybe obama sr isn't listed as teh father. there are a couple of posibilities.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem seems to be that every time something is given out, the conspiracy theorists just make up something about it.
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How is that a problem when they keep giving out things that are quite apparently not his birth certificate.
In other words, no matter what is done to address this issue, it just fans the flames because the people who believe that he is not U.S.-born simply will never give that up. So why try to convince the unconvinceable?
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That's a ridiculous attempt to deflect considering that you have assured us the BC was out there for all to see and were either wrong or intentionally lying.

Meanwhile, was I right? That the original Hawaii governor to say this is all BS is Republican? Really cannot remember and just wanted to make sure we are addressing this factually. (which I realize does not appeal to you).
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Yes it does. The facts because they appeal to me so much have led me to question either your objectivity or honesty. You and others have often gone crazy at the mere notion that Obama had not demonstrated natural born citizenship or had not released his birth certificate.

The question is: Were you lying or just willfully, doggedly, ignorant?
 
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hawaii governor is a socialist literally. not sure his view on the matter is really relavant.
 
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droski said:
maybe he's listed as white on the birth certificate. maybe obama sr isn't listed as teh father. there are a couple of posibilities.
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But none of that type would mean anything to anyone. Who would care? I certainly wouldn't. Who in their right mind would blame him for something "embarrassing" on his birth certificate?

Obama is the only one who can put this fire out.
 
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if he's been lying to the american public about something all this time that could be a political problem.
 
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sjt18 said:
But none of that type would mean anything to anyone. Who would care? I certainly wouldn't. Who in their right mind would blame him for something "embarrassing" on his birth certificate?

Obama is the only one who can put this fire out.
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A significant portion of the black community would see that as a slap in the face initially. Granted Obama had no control over what information was given at the time of his birth but information like that posed above coming out would certainly create a stir for a while and given our current situation something like this could have some political consequence in the short term.
 
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THE DAILY PEN: Third Hawaiian Official Denies Existence of Birth Certificate: 'Obama Not Born In Hawaii'

Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams,
Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not
Born In Hawaii - And Joins Hawaiian Governor and
Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz, As List of
Eyewitnesses To Shocking Roster of Mounting
Evidence Against Obama Grows
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Now even old tingly legged Chris Mathews is
calling for Barry to produce the birth certificate.
 
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What's the end-game in this? Shouldn't this have come to a head one way or another by now? I mean, I've been hearing this crap for 2 years and nothing has changed.
 
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IPorange said:
What's the end-game in this? Shouldn't this have come to a head one way or another by now? I mean, I've been hearing this crap for 2 years and nothing has changed.
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which is why you'd think obama would just end it and produce teh certificate.
 
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IPorange said:
What's the end-game in this? Shouldn't this have come to a head one way or another by now? I mean, I've been hearing this crap for 2 years and nothing has changed.
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Exactly. People with nothing to hide do not typically hide things.

I can understand that there are some out there who will never be satisfied... significantly smaller than the group on the left who thought there was something to find in Bush's NG records but nonetheless a fringe element. But why should Obama fear them? I cannot think of a single thing that could possibly be on his birth certificate that would bother me other than a foreign country of birth.


I HOPE that the net outcome of this is that sometime between now and 2012 Congress passes a bill stating that candidates for office supply proof of being constitutionally qualified before running.
 
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IPorange said:
What's the end-game in this? Shouldn't this have come to a head one way or another by now? I mean, I've been hearing this crap for 2 years and nothing has changed.
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End game could be the documents are released 35 years after the death of the last person involved ala JFK.

It will be released one day and I don't know what it will show but it will show something odd.

And it didn't get handled 2 years ago because the democratic machine/mainstream media through the race card out on whoever questioned it and buried the issue.
 
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