Blown Call Cant be Reversed After Game Declared Final

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In Toledo's loss to Syracuse 33-30 in OT, the officials obviously blew a call on an extra point that enabled Syracuse to get the game into OT. The replay officials didn't catch the bad call.

Now everyone including the officials admits the call was blown.

In response for Toledo's request to have the result reversed, Mid-American commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said Monday that NCAA rules say there's no route to reverse the outcome once the game is declared over.

UT should therefore claim a win vs. UNC in the Music City Bowl. The head ref declared the game over and UT was ahead.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
In Toledo's loss to Syracuse 33-30 in OT, the officials obviously blew a call on an extra point that enabled Syracuse to get the game into OT. The replay officials didn't catch the bad call.

Now everyone including the officials admits the call was blown.

In response for Toledo's request to have the result reversed, Mid-American commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said Monday that NCAA rules say there's no route to reverse the outcome once the game is declared over.

UT should therefore claim a win vs. UNC in the Music City Bowl. The head ref declared the game over and UT was ahead.
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Don't forget about the LSU game when they did the same.....
 
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Ouch, I was just recovering. I'm going to hit "back" and pretend I didn't see this.
 
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the game is over when both teams/officials leave the field and hit the locker rooms...that did not happen in the UT games...the officials can say whatever they want, then review it and say something else...they never left the field
 
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Didn't the Pac 12 reverse a ruling on the field after the game was over? Yeah, and it happened to allow USC to cover the spread. Hmmmmm
 
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tvols75 said:
Didn't the Pac 12 reverse a ruling on the field after the game was over? Yeah, and it happened to allow USC to cover the spread. Hmmmmm
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That has to be the story that wins the prize for significance being inversely proportional to coverage. There was very little said about that, but I'm with you on the HMMMMM. What other explanation is there other than some Pac 12 big cheeses had big cheese on the game? The ruling, which overturned an unchallengable unsportsmanlike conduct judgement call, was made in favor of not changing the outcome but the final score. And indeed, it affected the cover on the game. I"m with you tvols75- I smell a major rat there.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
In Toledo's loss to Syracuse 33-30 in OT, the officials obviously blew a call on an extra point that enabled Syracuse to get the game into OT. The replay officials didn't catch the bad call.

Now everyone including the officials admits the call was blown.

In response for Toledo's request to have the result reversed, Mid-American commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said Monday that NCAA rules say there's no route to reverse the outcome once the game is declared over.

UT should therefore claim a win vs. UNC in the Music City Bowl. The head ref declared the game over and UT was ahead.
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IMO, Toledo should declare a win over Syracuse. :yes:
 
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If we both go 6-6, I think the Music City folks should go for a do-over. Lots of trash talking. Replays over and over. The media would get excited over a nothing game. Hire Bruce as the one-game marketing director. What fun.
 
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volplaya8 said:
the game is over when both teams/officials leave the field and hit the locker rooms...that did not happen in the UT games...the officials can say whatever they want, then review it and say something else...they never left the field
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Are you sure the game isn't officially over when the ref signals it to be over? I ask because the ref certainly announced that the game was over. It seems to me that his signal is the official end rather than some flimsy metric of the teams hitting the locker room. So, if the head coach stays on the field for an interview, the game isn't over? Same way for the national championship trophy presentation. The trophy presentation is made on the field before the game is actually over since the "winning" team hasn't yet made it to the locker room?
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volplaya8 said:
the game is over when both teams/officials leave the field and hit the locker rooms...that did not happen in the UT games...the officials can say whatever they want, then review it and say something else...they never left the field
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How can that be true? The teams could always leave before the game was over if they so chose.
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boomer020 said:
Don't forget about the LSU game when they did the same.....
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If you are talking about the LSU/Vols game last year, I don't think it was declared over. The vols got a penalty, replay the down as far as I remember. It's not like everyone went home and then LSU protested and got a new down 2 days later.

Not a cool way to lose or win but at least it was decided on the field.
 
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volplaya8 said:
the game is over when both teams/officials leave the field and hit the locker rooms...that did not happen in the UT games...the officials can say whatever they want, then review it and say something else...they never left the field
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Wrong:
Rule 1, Section 1, Article 3, Paragraph b of the 2011 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations states, "When the referee declares that the game is ended, the score is final. By rule, once the game is declared over the score is final and there is no recourse to reverse an outcome."

Once the game has been signaled by the officials as "officially over" then nothing EVER should be reviewed or changed..Doesn't matter where any players, coaches or officials are at when that happens..And BTW, that DID happen in the UT games last season but the NCAA blew it by not following THEIR OWN RULES!!
 
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You have a point about the MCB, but the LSU game wasn't declared over before the penalty.
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TnScooby said:
Once the game has been signaled by the officials as "officially over" then nothing EVER should be reviewed or changed..Doesn't matter where any players, coaches or officials are at when that happens..And BTW, that DID happen in the UT games last season but the NCAA blew it by not following THEIR OWN RULES!!
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Not exactly. Prior to making declarations of any kind, the head referee has to consult his fellow referees and come to a consensus. In the case of the LSU game, the replay official signaled for a review of the final play. The referee crew had not reached a consensus, so the declaration of the game being final was improper.
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TnScooby said:
Wrong:
Rule 1, Section 1, Article 3, Paragraph b of the 2011 NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations states, "When the referee declares that the game is ended, the score is final. By rule, once the game is declared over the score is final and there is no recourse to reverse an outcome."

Once the game has been signaled by the officials as "officially over" then nothing EVER should be reviewed or changed..Doesn't matter where any players, coaches or officials are at when that happens..And BTW, that DID happen in the UT games last season but the NCAA blew it by not following THEIR OWN RULES!!
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Someone needs to investigate the NCAA for lack of institutional control.
 
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