Blyleven & Alomar elected to HOF

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Co. Aytch

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Both Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar were inducted into the HOF today.

Alomar had 90%
Blyleven had 79%...

All the sluggers did not manage to get even 50% of the vote, including Jeff Bagwell in his first year of eligiblity.

Congrats to two great players.

For Braves fans, Dale Murphy ended up with 73 votes at 12.6%, and Fred McGriff ended up with 104 votes at 17.9%.
 

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The 38% of the electorate who didn't vote for Barry Larkin should lose their ballot privileges. I feel almost as strongly about those who omitted Tim Raines. At least they broke out of their intellectual comas long enough to elect the best second baseman of the last quarter century.
 
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Congrats to both. Larkin should have gotten in this time around as well.
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I can pretty much guarantee you that at no point during Blyleven's career did anybody watching him pitch think that they were watching a Hall of Famer out there. Blyleven deserves the Hall of Fame in the same way that the janitor at my kid's elementary school got a big party when he retired: by doing something forever rather than spectacularly.
 
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After the two elected,
Larkin 62%
Jack Morris 53%
Lee Smith 45%
Bagwell 45%
Raines 37.5%
Edgar Marinez 33%
Trammell 24%
 
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How does Lee Smith get put on less than 50% of the ballots?
 
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Jeff Bagwell getting more votes than Tim Raines proves a good portion of the BWAA is composed of bigots and/or utter imbeciles.
 
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GAVol said:
How does Lee Smith get put on less than 50% of the ballots?
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He's another guy whose candidacy is built on longevity, not greatness. He's no more deserving than the John Francos of the world.
 
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Jack Morris not being voted in and Blyleven being elected is another sign that baseball's drug testing policy should be extended to the BWAA.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The 38% of the electorate who didn't vote for Barry Larkin should lose their ballot privileges. I feel almost as strongly about those who omitted Tim Raines. At least they broke out of their intellectual comas long enough to elect the best second baseman of the last quarter century.
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:good!:

I honestly wouldn't have voted for Blyleven. He's a guy I have to think about, so generally disregard. 75, 77, 84 he was a brilliant pitcher, 74 and 85 he was well above average, but other than that he was normalized as a solid low 2/high 3 starter throughout his career.

Larkin had an OPS+ over 130 7 times, despite not having great plate discipline. He won gold gloves from 94-96, somewhere in the transition period where fielding and popularity were intermingled, but he could sure work the leather.

I fear that Larkin might have to go through the **** storm of milestone stat guys getting bronzed that Jim Ed Rice did, while the best players of the era sit and watch.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Jeff Bagwell getting more votes than Tim Raines proves a good portion of the BWAA is composed of bigots and/or utter imbeciles.
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Yet people wanted to get burn Ozzie Guillen at the stake for calling out the blatant hypocrisy in the game.
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hatvol96 said:
Jack Morris not being voted in and Blyleven being elected is another sign that baseball's drug testing policy should be extended to the BWAA.
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If Bert was on the juice it sure didn't help, unless perhaps it helped him to limp to a 37 games over 500 record after logging 22 seasons. The new Cy Young trend, i'm afraid, will play a role in the HOF for years to come....If you are a HOF caliber pitcher, you will win many more games than you lose, especially if you take the hill for 22 years. Bert didn't.
 
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hatvol96 said:
He's another guy whose candidacy is built on longevity, not greatness. He's no more deserving than the John Francos of the world.
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There's something to be said for performing at a high level for a long time though IMO. The Save is an overrated stat, but I think the small handful of guys with 400 saves all deserve to be in.
 
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Did a little looking around. The last years that no one was elected to the Hall were 1940, 41, 43, 50, 58, and 60.

Thinking forward to next year, could that be the case again?
Not sure who is becoming eligible.
 
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VOLnVEGAS said:
Did a little looking around. The last years that no one was elected to the Hall were 1940, 41, 43, 50, 58, and 60.

Thinking forward to next year, could that be the case again?
Not sure who is becoming eligible.
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The only guy that's remotely worth talking about is Bernie Williams. Next year will be the year that guys like Bagwell, Larkin, Raines etc have a shot.
 
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GAVol said:
The only guy that's remotely worth talking about is Bernie Williams. Next year will be the year that guys like Bagwell, Larkin, Raines etc have a shot.
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Bernie Williams? I don't think he was ever remotely near top 5 at his position. Fred Lynn would be ahead of Bernie IMO.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Bernie Williams? I don't think he was ever remotely near top 5 at his position. Fred Lynn would be ahead of Bernie IMO.
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No way Bernie is HOF. He's the best of those that become eligible though. I think it's basically Bernie Williams, Javy Lopez and a few random washouts. 2007 just wasn't a very distinguished year for retirees.
 
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GAVol said:
No way Bernie is HOF. He's the best of those that become eligible though. I think it's basically Bernie Williams, Javy Lopez and a few random washouts. 2007 just wasn't a very distinguished year for retirees.
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Hopefully the BBWA agree.
 
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Larkin will get in next year, and deservedly so. The best shortstop of his generation. And yeah, I'm a Reds homer, but the facts are the facts and the stats are the stats.
 
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Peter Gammons seems said that hitting 60% mark for the first vote was really good for Larkin. Next year should put him over the top.
 
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GAVol said:
The only guy that's remotely worth talking about is Bernie Williams. Next year will be the year that guys like Bagwell, Larkin, Raines etc have a shot.
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If Jeff Bagwell gets in, Barry Bonds should be the first unanimous selection ever upon becoming eligible.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If Jeff Bagwell gets in, Barry Bonds should be the first unanimous selection ever upon becoming eligible.
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The argument that I heard presented is, Barry and ARod were already HOF worthy before they used steroids. The others like Palmeiro and McGwire they argued, were enhanced to HOF status because of the PED's.
 
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VOLnVEGAS said:
The argument that I heard presented is, Barry and ARod were already HOF worthy before they used steroids. The others like Palmeiro and McGwire they argued, were enhanced to HOF status because of the PED's.
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A-rod has been juicing since high school.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If Jeff Bagwell gets in, Barry Bonds should be the first unanimous selection ever upon becoming eligible.
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Bonds will be the make or break for juicers...he was a HOF player prior to it, he should be in the HOF for that.

You let him in, you pretty much gotta let them all in, cause you really have no way to tell when they started using, all you can do is assume.
 
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