Boise St to the Big East?

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Report -- Big East, Boise State Broncos still need persuading - ESPN

The Big East is considering adding Boise State football to help bolster the conference's chances of retaining its BCS automatic bid, though both sides still need to be persuaded that it's the right move.

A college football official, who spoke Thursday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the Big East's plans, says some Big East presidents are resisting adding Boise State and the school itself has reservations about joining a conference in flux.


The Big East said earlier this week it would like to expand to 12 football schools and split into two divisions, which would allow the league to play a championship.

The official said that some Big East leaders believe the priority in expansion should be bringing in programs that will ensure the Big East remains an automatic qualifying BCS conference when the current Bowl Championship Series television and bowl contracts run out after the 2013 season.

Boise State could be just what the Big East needs. The Broncos have had one of the winningest programs in college football recently, going 71-5 since 2006.

The BCS has a formula for evaluating the strength of a conference that takes into account the final BCS rankings of each team in a league. Even if Boise State joined the Big East next season, its final BCS ranking of 10th while playing in the Western Athletic Conference last year, and its ranking this season while playing in the Mountain West Conference, would count toward the Big East's ledger when it is reviewed after the 2013 season.

No. 5 Boise State is 5-0 heading into this weekend's game at Colorado State.

Losing its automatic BCS bid could cost the reeling Big East millions of dollars in revenue down the road.

Last month, Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced they would be leaving the Big East to join the Atlantic Coast Conference. That left the Big East with six football members: Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Rutgers, Connecticut and USF.

The Big East also has eight schools that do not play football: Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul and Notre Dame.

The Big East has been holding conference calls all week, including Thursday, to discuss expansion issues. Complicating matters in the Big East are the at times conflicting agendas of the football schools and the other members.

Aside from Boise State, Navy and Air Force also have been targeted as football-only members by the Big East, and the league is considering Temple from the Mid-American Conference and Central Florida and East Carolina from Conference USA as members in all sports.

SMU and Houston from CUSA also are possibilities, allowing the Big East to regain the presence in Texas it thought it was going to have with TCU.

Having the Texas schools, along with Air Force, which is in Colorado Springs, Colo., in a western division of the league, would give Boise State some reasonable road trips. The closest current Big East football member to Boise, Idaho, is Louisville -- 1,879 miles away.

Last week, TCU reneged on its decision to join the Big East in 2012 and instead joined the Big 12.

The official said Boise State has concerns about the commitment of the Big East's current members.

The Big 12 could be in the market to expand again, especially if Missouri leaves for the Southeastern Conference, and Louisville and West Virginia are among the schools it would consider adding.

Also, UConn has interest in joining the ACC if that league expands past the 14 it will have when Pitt and Syracuse join. The Big East has said it will hold Pitt and Syracuse to the league's 27 months' notification rule and the two will not be allowed to join the ACC until 2014.
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I don't think it will happen. The new look MWC already looks like it's about on par with the Big East as is after Cuse/Pitt leave. I'd just stick with the MWC if I were them. Big East might lose its AQ status anyways. They should
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I don't think it will happen. The new look MWC already looks like it's about on par with the Big East as is after Cuse/Pitt leave. I'd just stick with the MWC if I were them. Big East might lose its AQ status anyways. They should
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and that doesn't mean it's likely that the MWC would be granted said AQ status either


And if they keep up their numbers...I'm not sure why exactly they wouldn't necessarily make it through the upcoming AQ check by the BCS
 
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TrueOrange said:
and that doesn't mean it's likely that the MWC would be granted said AQ status either

And if they keep up their numbers...I'm not sure why exactly they wouldn't necessarily make it through the upcoming AQ check by the BCS
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Never said anything about MWC taking the AQ from the Big East, just that the Big East should lose theirs. If that's the case, why leave one non-AQ for another non-AQ? Especially if it requires flying all the way across the country for half of your conference games.

If a conference made up of WV, Cinci, Louisville, Uconn, South Florida and Rutgers get to to keep their AQ, that's disturbing. None of them are powerhouses and they'd also be adding schools like Navy, Temple etc.

I doubt it matters anyways. There is a good chance more teams are going to leave the Big East. I just don't see Boise State risking getting left in the cold or pissing off the MWC to go to an unstable conference like the Big East
 
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That would be like Oregon going into the SEC.. Why didn't Boise just go to the Pac10? Hell of a lot better addition than Colorado or Utah.
 
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Eberry said:
That would be like Oregon going into the SEC.. Why didn't Boise just go to the Pac10? Hell of a lot better addition than Colorado or Utah.
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TrueOrange said:
I keep getting the feeling that no one wants boise....like there's more of a stigma with that school/program than I understand or know about
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GoBigOrange86 said:
Academics play a major concern.
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milohimself said:
Small fanbase, poor academics, total lack of competitiveness in everything outside of football.


False. Boise would accept Pac-12 membership in a heartbeat if they could get in, but no major conference will invite them for the reasons listed above. It has nothing to do with Boise or conferences being "skeered" of eachother.
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....think someone posted elsewhere about them pretty much only being like 2 steps above a community college
 
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Velo Vol said:
Is Oregon State big on academics?
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There are about half a dozen or so programs in the way of natural sciences that are pretty damn good, and it's a decent engineering school. But it's not very difficult to get in. Same goes for ASU WSU and Zona.

Still, and I have to bring this up in every Boise thread because everybody forgets, Boise is a one-trick pony with a nice football program and absolutely non-competitive in everything else, is as mediocre a university as there is, and is small budget in a small town.

The only reason the Big East is interested is because they are grasping for straws in order to try and maintain some semblance of legitimacy in football. BCS re-evaluations happen after 2012, and with Pitt and Cuse on the way out and TCU leaving them at the altar, if they don't land Boise or some other good program, they are doomed to lose AQ status.
 
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milohimself said:
There are about half a dozen or so programs in the way of natural sciences that are pretty damn good, and it's a decent engineering school. But it's not very difficult to get in. Same goes for ASU WSU and Zona.

Still, and I have to bring this up in every Boise thread because everybody forgets, Boise is a one-trick pony with a nice football program and absolutely non-competitive in everything else, is as mediocre a university as there is, and is small budget in a small town.

The only reason the Big East is interested is because they are grasping for straws in order to try and maintain some semblance of legitimacy in football. BCS re-evaluations happen after 2012, and with Pitt and Cuse on the way out and TCU leaving them at the altar, if they don't land Boise or some other good program, they are doomed to lose AQ status.
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Boise St has won the Pac-12 wrestling championship 3 out of the last 4 years and 6 out of the last 12 years. Why do you think Kellen Moore never gets sacked?
 
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Based on performance over the past 10 years, Boise State and any average program would be more than adequate replacements for Pitt and Cuse. If the Big East can have an auto-bid with this season's group, I think they'll keep it if they get Boise.
 
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True, but I don't think they'd lose the bid if they were evaluated today and weren't losing Pitt and Cuse. JMO.
 
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But they're going to be evaluated in a year without Pitt and Cuse, and the best sure-fire options they have on the table are ECU and UCF. Not exactly setting the world on fire there.
 
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Notre Dame should jump into the Big East, it would be a easy road to the BCS. Even though they already have a pretty damn easy road to the BCS.
 
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Personally I think it's a great move. At the end of the day, everyone can still say that "Boise doesn't play anyone". And when they make it a NC game and beat an Sec school everyone can still say "Yeah, you beat ONE Sec team. Do it for an entire season!"

Only difference this move will provide is

Boise's travel budget will go up slightly.


The only thing that is likely to stay the same.

They will likely beat 99% of the teams that get on the field with them, including BCS and NC games.
 
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sbfinley said:
Personally I think it's a great move. At the end of the day, everyone can still say that "Boise doesn't play anyone". And when they make it a NC game and beat an Sec school everyone can still say "Yeah, you beat ONE Sec team. Do it for an entire season!"

Only difference this move will provide is

Boise's travel budget will go up slightly.


The only thing that is likely to stay the same.

They will likely beat 99% of the teams that get on the field with them, including BCS and NC games.
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Cute. You actually seem to believe that.
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Calculon said:
Cute. You actually seem to believe that.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. I meant 93%. I don't have to believe Boise is that good. That is their win percentage since 2006. 66-5.

Don't worry though, Boise St. won't sniff the title game this year and you also-ran SEC programs can chant "SEC - SEC" while you are living vicariously through us.
 
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sbfinley said:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I meant 93%. I don't have to believe Boise is that good. That is their win percentage since 2006. 66-5.

Don't worry though, Boise St. won't sniff the title game this year and you also-ran SEC programs can chant "SEC - SEC" while you are living vicariously through us.
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Ah, so Boise homers actually do exist. I think everyone is just fine leaving your potato-filled wasteland to those with an IQ below 100.
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