Boras has lost his mind

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First, Boras wanted $20 million a year for Andruw that hit .220 and now he wants to opt out of a $24 million a year deal for A-rod to get $30 million for the next 12 years that will take A-rod until he is 45. A-rod is good, but no player is worth that kind of money. Not to mention whoever signs him for this long term of a contract will be gambling that he will be healthy long into his 40s. I hope any organization that is foolish enough to pick him up at this price tag falls flat on their face. Teams should have learned their lesson when they tried to get him from the Rangers for 10 years $252 million. It was almost impossible to make a deal.


I would like to see everyone do like Shuerholz and not even negotiate with him.
 
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corona1898 said:
First, Boras wanted $20 million a year for Andruw that hit .220 and now he wants to opt out of a $24 million a year deal for A-rod to get $30 million for the next 12 years that will take A-rod until he is 45. A-rod is good, but no player is worth that kind of money. Not to mention whoever signs him for this long term of a contract will be gambling that he will be healthy long into his 40s. I hope any organization that is foolish enough to pick him up at this price tag falls flat on their face. Teams should have learned their lesson when they tried to get him from the Rangers for 10 years $252 million. It was almost impossible to make a deal.


I would like to see everyone do like Shuerholz and not even negotiate with him.
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It would be nice to see Boras blacklisted or something, but it won't happen. A-Rod will almost surely opt out, rather than sign an extension in NY. The Yankees say they won't pursue him if he opts out, as they are getting $20m from Texas over the next 3 seasons, wheras if he opts out, they will foot the full bill for the term of the new contract.

A-Rod is a great player, but his fire seems lacking, that and you could have 3 damn good starting pitchers for $30m. But, he'll get the money somewhere, sad as it is.
 
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There are only a couple of markets that can afford that price and he is in one of them now (Yankees). Not sure who other than Boston would be willing to pay that much. They are in the playoffs without him so that proves he is not needed in Beantown. They already have plenty of star power.
 
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the LA teams, and the Cubs. The fans don't want him in Boston, but management doesn't care about fan favorites. The club also has a policy against contracts over 4 years in length, so who knows.

But hear this, if Theo and the gang sign A-Rod, i'll set up a poll on VN to determine my favorite team. Alex is the epitome of what i can't stand in sports, and I'll abandon Sweet Caroline, Dirty Water, Punter's Pub, and the rest, if he comes to Boston.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
the LA teams, and the Cubs. The fans don't want him in Boston, but management doesn't care about fan favorites. The club also has a policy against contracts over 4 years in length, so who knows.

But hear this, if Theo and the gang sign A-Rod, i'll set up a poll on VN to determine my favorite team. Alex is the epitome of what i can't stand in sports, and I'll abandon Sweet Caroline, Dirty Water, Punter's Pub, and the rest, if he comes to Boston.
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I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him in Boston; he'd have been there already if the Players' Association hadn't vetoed the trade. In order to beat the Yankees, the Red Sox basically turned themselves into the Yankees.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him in Boston; he'd have been there already if the Players' Association hadn't vetoed the trade. In order to beat the Yankees, the Red Sox basically turned themselves into the Yankees.
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Great statement, sad as it is. The current regime is changing things for the worse, though the on the field the results are wonderful, this team doesn't really seem like a Sox team. Next year's will be ever farther from it.

As a lifelong fan, the A-Rod talk sickens me, as he is as far away from a "Boston" guy as you'll find. I hated the trade talk when he was in Texas, and the FA end of the spectrum disturbs me even more.

It's bad enough that we've become a 'trendy' team, and the Pink Hats are making ass real estate at Fenway very hard to come by, but now there is a notable chance that this guy is coming aboard. Damn, i hope not. I might even consider retiring my hat and my Dwight Evans jersey if that happened, and cherish the memories of my beloved Dirt Dogs while i rooted for the Tigers or Brew Crew.
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if he lands in Boston but they don't need him. I think Steinbrenner's formula of a team of superstars doesn't work. Adding Arod to the mix will make Boston a team of individuals, not a team.
 
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If the Yankees can somehow be rid of him, it would be a coup. There is such a thing as too many stars, and theres no better evidence than the Yankees.

We need to cut payroll and mix up that locker room. Too bad the FA market is going to be pretty unimpressive this year.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
As a lifelong fan, the A-Rod talk sickens me, as he is as far away from a "Boston" guy as you'll find. I hated the trade talk when he was in Texas, and the FA end of the spectrum disturbs me even more.
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It wasn't even talk. The Red Sox and Rangers actually completed a trade for Rodriguez; it would have required Rodriguez to restructure his salary in a way the MLBPA didn't like, so they vetoed it. So he was traded to the Yankees a few days later instead.
 
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UTLCA said:
We need to cut payroll and mix up that locker room. Too bad the FA market is going to be pretty unimpressive this year.
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You guys are going to love paying Andruw Jones $20m per year to hit .240 and play ordinary CF in 2012!
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It wasn't even talk. The Red Sox and Rangers actually completed a trade for Rodriguez; it would have required Rodriguez to restructure his salary in a way the MLBPA didn't like, so they vetoed it. So he was traded to the Yankees a few days later instead.
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Yeah, i know the story and remember it well...i'm talking about 2007 time, the new round of A Rod rumors
 
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UTLCA said:
When would we sign him?
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This offseason, perhaps. And he'll be pretty good for a couple of years. The problem is that whoever signs him will still be married to him when he's 35, and there's a good chance he'll be awful by then.

Maybe you'll get lucky and the Red Sox will want him.
 
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I could have sworn I heard some talk at some point in time about A-Rod signing a contract with the Cubs that wouldn't pay him as much money, but would also involve ownership of the team or something retarded like that.
 
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If I was A-Rod I'd go to the American League team with the shortest porch in left field. For obvious reasons.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
This offseason, perhaps. And he'll be pretty good for a couple of years. The problem is that whoever signs him will still be married to him when he's 35, and there's a good chance he'll be awful by then.

Maybe you'll get lucky and the Red Sox will want him.
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With Johnny Damon under contract for 2 more years and a great young player in Melky Cabrera, there is zero chance the Yankees are signing Andruw Jones to play center. It's even more unlikely he'd sign to play another position too because they will probably resign Abreu and Matsui is still under contract.

Andruw has stated a preference for warm weather anyway.
 
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Well, I certainly hope that the Yankees think Melky Cabrera is a "great young player" and they decide to build around him. An career OPS of .728 in over a thousand at-bats is pretty putrid unless you're a great CF, and though Melky's decent in the field, he's not great. Hard to see the Yanks being satisfied with a .275 hitter with no power in the starting lineup.

I hope the Yankees think they're set out there, however, and don't offer (say) Torii Hunter a contract.
 
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Since when does a CF need to have power. Right now, they're getting it from a majority of other places in their lineup. Spout out all the past numbers you want, but the reality is, Melky has yet to have a full season of regular playing time. Last year he filled in for Matsui in left for part of the year, and this year he was a 4th outfielder until Joe finally demoted Damon.

The people that get to see Melky on a regular basis know that he is merely showing glimpses of what he can be, both offensively and defensively. At the time of the Gagne trading fiasco, Cashman was killed for not giving up Melky to shore up the worst part of our team. But, Cashman did what Boston should have done, and kept their young talent. Cashman knows the merits of Melky, and he is a difference maker, whether or not the numbers show it.

Just look at the second half of this year, and he shows that he got the job done, and at a fraction of the price of Andruw or Torii.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
the LA teams, and the Cubs. The fans don't want him in Boston, but management doesn't care about fan favorites. The club also has a policy against contracts over 4 years in length, so who knows.

But hear this, if Theo and the gang sign A-Rod, i'll set up a poll on VN to determine my favorite team. Alex is the epitome of what i can't stand in sports, and I'll abandon Sweet Caroline, Dirty Water, Punter's Pub, and the rest, if he comes to Boston.
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So if someone offered you 25 million to play a game you would say no right?
 
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UTLCA said:
Since when does a CF need to have power. Right now, they're getting it from a majority of other places in their lineup. Spout out all the past numbers you want, but the reality is, Melky has yet to have a full season of regular playing time. Last year he filled in for Matsui in left for part of the year, and this year he was a 4th outfielder until Joe finally demoted Damon.

The people that get to see Melky on a regular basis know that he is merely showing glimpses of what he can be, both offensively and defensively. At the time of the Gagne trading fiasco, Cashman was killed for not giving up Melky to shore up the worst part of our team. But, Cashman did what Boston should have done, and kept their young talent. Cashman knows the merits of Melky, and he is a difference maker, whether or not the numbers show it.
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It's not that Cabrera doesn't have power, specifically; it's that he doesn't do anything else at the plate to make up for it except maybe draw a decent number of walks. Sure, he's young, but 1000 at-bats is a good sample size. I'm sure he'll improve, but we've already seen enough to know that he's highly unlikely to develop into anything like, say, Bernie Williams.

If the Yankees want to keep him because he's a "difference maker," then fantastic. A .275 slap-hitting, decent-glove CF with an okay OBP would be a great value for the Pittsburgh Pirates; it's a terrible choice when you're the Yankees and can afford someone who can hit at every position.

Just look at the second half of this year, and he shows that he got the job done, and at a fraction of the price of Andruw or Torii.
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Cabrera's first half of 2007: 299 plate appearances, .275 BA, 4 HR, .716 OPS. His second half: 313 PA, .271 BA, 4 HR, .720 OPS. I don't see it.
 
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Did anyone else catch the interview that Schuerholz had with colin cowheard on espn radio last week? It was very telling-John said that the pay in mlb was absurd and that 10 mil a year should be enough. He also said that Boras' demand for Andruw didn't even "rise to the level that deserved a response." I have great respect for what he has done over the years but that interview made it obvious to me that it was time for him to move on.
 
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crazyguy said:
Did anyone else catch the interview that Schuerholz had with colin cowheard on espn radio last week? It was very telling-John said that the pay in mlb was absurd and that 10 mil a year should be enough. He also said that Boras' demand for Andruw didn't even "rise to the level that deserved a response." I have great respect for what he has done over the years but that interview made it obvious to me that it was time for him to move on.
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For a guy having to work with the kind of payroll Schuerholz has had to for the last few years -- $90m -- then much more than $10m/yr for one player is untenable. For four or five teams, though, $20-25m/yr is fine. I'm sure that if he were allowed a $150m/yr payroll, his attitude about salaries would be totally different.
 
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I wouldn't mind the Cubs signing him. We really need another middle infielder. Theriot is a young up and comer, but I don't know if DeRosa, Cedeno, or Fontenot are the answer at the other position. The Cubs really need to find a true leadoff hitter. Pie could possibly be that next year. They would just have to talk Soriano into batting 2nd or 5th:

1-Pie
2-Soriano/Lee
3-Lee/Arod
4-Arod/Aram
5-Aram/Soriano
6-Jones/Floyd
7-Theriot
8-Soto

The pitching staff is deep. We just have to stay healthy and find a top 5. Our options are Zambrano, Lilly, Marquis, Hill, Marshall, Trachsel(might be gone), Prior, Guzman, and there may be another pitcher or two that gets a chance.
 
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