Bored, Put together a Mock NCAA Expansion what do you guys think?

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Ncaa football expansion

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1. Virginia tech
1. Tennessee​
2. North carolina
2. Wvu​
3. Rutgers
3. Florida​
4. Clemson
4. Alabama​
5. Duke
5. Gt​
6. Ecu
6. Uga​
7. Virginia
7. Louisville​
8. Maryland
8. Auburn​
9. Nc state
9. Kentucky​
10. Wake forest
10. Vanderbilt​
11. S. Carolina
11. Miami​
12. Bc
12. Usf​
13. Syracuse
13. Fsu​
14. Uconn
14. Lsu​
15. Miss St​
Big 10
16. Ole Miss​
1. Psu
2. Michigan
Big 12​
3. Michigan st.
1. Texas​
4. Illinois
2. Texas tech​
5. Indiana
3. Texas a&m​
6. Iowa
4. Oklahoma​
7. Northwestern
5. Oklahoma st.​
8. Purdue
6. Tcu​
9. Minnesota
7. Houston​
10. Wisconsin
8. Baylor​
11. Ohio st.
9. Byu​
12. Missouri
10. Colorado​
13. Pitt
11. Kansas​
14. Nd
12. Ksu​
15. Cinci
13. Nebraska​
16. Iowa state
14. Arkansas​

pac 10
1. Usc
2. Cal
3. Ucla
4. Zona
5. Asu
6. Oregon
7. Oregon st.
8. Stanford
9. Washington
10. Washington st
11. Utah
12. Boise st.
 
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boise doesn't have the academics or athletics to be considered part of the pac-10.
 
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Why would the NCAA want to do this? All this does is increase travel, cut down on attendance because of the travel, and increase costs.
 
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droski said:
boise doesn't have the academics or athletics to be considered part of the pac-10.
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Agreed. people in the east don't realize how dominant the PAC 10 is at many smaller sports, and the may be one of the academically deepest major conferences.
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it's also a small media market. the only possible expansion that makes sense is colorado (really has more in common with the pac-10 schools than big-12) and utah (unless obviously you can pull texas or something). and ASU/WSU/OSU aren't exactly academic powerhouses, but they are research universities which is something the pac-10 looks at.
 
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I think there is an argument to be made that if this were to happen that the SEC would never again produce a national champion. factor in all the extra talent, uniformity, and parity this would bring as well. You could have 5 teams going 9-4.
 
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droski said:
it's also a small media market. the only possible expansion that makes sense is colorado (really has more in common with the pac-10 schools than big-12) and utah (unless obviously you can pull texas or something). and ASU/WSU/OSU aren't exactly academic powerhouses, but they are research universities which is something the pac-10 looks at.
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And great research universities at that.

Anyways, the only two schools I could even fathom the Pac-10 reaching out to are Colorado and BYU.
 
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not sure the pac-10 would be in favor of BYU with the religious affiliation and all. utah makes a lot more sense.
 
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droski said:
it's also a small media market. the only possible expansion that makes sense is colorado (really has more in common with the pac-10 schools than big-12) and utah (unless obviously you can pull texas or something). and ASU/WSU/OSU aren't exactly academic powerhouses, but they are research universities which is something the pac-10 looks at.
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I'm guessing its the media market and size of the university that excludes Gonzaga from the conversation? I know they are a great academic school, but enrollment is somewhere in the neighborhood of of 5,000 or so. While I know their basketball histories inside and out, the academic/social standing of west coast schools is not my strong point.
 
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droski said:
not sure the pac-10 would be in favor of BYU with the religious affiliation and all. utah makes a lot more sense.
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Utah fans don't travel, the school isn't that strong academically (not bad though, not any worse than OSU/WSU/ASU). BYU is tremendous academically, has a LOT of money in the fanbase, and travels extremely well. I'd say their fanbase size nationwide rivals the Ohio States, Penn States and Notre Dames of the world.

Hardwood_fanatic said:
I'm guessing its the media market and size of the university that excludes Gonzaga from the conversation? I know they are a great academic school, but enrollment is somewhere in the neighborhood of of 5,000 or so. While I know their basketball histories inside and out, the academic/social standing of west coast schools is not my strong point.
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Nah. A few things. Gonzaga doesn't play football, and they're part of the WCC which is comprised entirely of small high-end Catholic schools.
 
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milohimself said:
Utah fans don't travel, the school isn't that strong academically (not bad though, not any worse than OSU/WSU/ASU). BYU is tremendous academically, has a LOT of money in the fanbase, and travels extremely well. I'd say their fanbase size nationwide rivals the Ohio States, Penn States and Notre Dames of the world.
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they aren't a research institution really and all 10 pac-10 schools would have to approve of them and i bet more than a few would object to the religious aspect (particurally the historical racism and recent homophobia). personally i could care less, but i'm not in charge.
 
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I'm also not a fan of the LDS, and I suppose you're right. I was just stating the plus-sides.

Ultimately Colorado is the only "Pac-10 type school" that geographically makes sense and isn't in the conference already.

As far as this whole conference realignment thing goes, I don't see many big moves happening. The Big East and ACC will never merge due to basketball, Houston and especially Arkansas will never be in the Big XII, and the Pac-10 would never take Boise State, and probably wouldn't expand except maybe to get Colorado and maybe try and get Texas (every conference in the country would want Texas). The Big Ten is the only projection I see here that's even kind of reasonable, except not 16 teams. I think they'll try and get just one more for now and get a conference championship.
 
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I think the OP's confrences could work in a theoretic sence...but since expansion is a real thing that may happen, I don't think what you have here is very close.

SEC won't lose anyone...SC and Arkansas just won't leave.

Your Big Ten looks good.

ACC looks pretty good

I think if all this happens the Big 12 goes bye bye.
 
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Smokey 77 said:
Why would the NCAA want to do this? All this does is increase travel, cut down on attendance because of the travel, and increase costs.
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How would the travel affect attendance?

They quit taking trains and buses to games 30 years ago.
 
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This scenerio also assumes the NCAA could make the conferences adjust. The NCAA has no authority to do so. The conferences are independent to do as they please and chose to comply by the NCAA rules.
 
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The Big 10 is likely to expand, and if that happens the other conferences will have to do something like this to keep pace.
 
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one thing that people are not looking at is the fact that money will be what ultimately willpry teams away from their current conferenes. The bigger schools and conferences will make the first moves and the rest of the conferences will fall in line to pick up the scraps. That said, the Big 10 have the most to offer financially to schools so I could see them starting the ball rolling. Big money will put them in the running for big market programs like texas. The SEC will also have their first pick at schools along the east coast as well. The difference between the two is that the Big 10 has an academic component that the schools need to match up to, very similar to the Pac 10.
 
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The SEC's tv contract is $205mil/year to the Big Ten's $174mil/year. The SEC makes about $17.1mil/year/team to the Big Ten's $15.8mil/year/team from TV contracts. Average attendance to SEC games is also significantly higher.
 
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milohimself said:
The SEC's tv contract is $205mil/year to the Big Ten's $174mil/year. The SEC makes about $17.1mil/year/team to the Big Ten's $15.8mil/year/team from TV contracts. Average attendance to SEC games is also significantly higher.
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Most things I've read about Big Ten expansion say they have the highest revenue of any conference, including the SEC. Just now looking up stuff, I've seen a few new articles saying they generate around $22 mil for each school, largely due to the Big Ten Network.

The SEC's avg attendance last year was 76,288 and the Big Ten's was 71,769. That's not significantly higher especially when compared to the other conferences.
NCAA football attendance plateaus after record run - NCAA.org
 
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