Bottle This Game: Thoughts on Vols

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Here is some thoughts on the women's BB team coming out of last night's impressive win over Vandy.

1) UT played great last night in just about every way. It was a very SURPRISING performance, and sobering in some ways, because it was so very ATYPICAL of what we've seen from UT in a long time. The Vols almost NEVER play smart and hard for LONG stretches, and yet they did last night, for almost the entirety of the game. Let's be clear: Vandy is not really a good team, but it was an amazing performance nonetheless: 20 assists and 12 turnovers. UT usually has the reverse of that. Tough man to man defense--again, haven't seen that in quite some time.

2) Simmons may have played her best game ever last night. She looked for teammates and didn't rush shots--only one that I remember. She let the game come to her. She shot well--9 for 15 (atypical). She had 5 assists and only two turnovers (atypical!). She played very hard on defense--well done. She has in the last few games played excellent ALL-AROUND basketball, as someone with her skills should be playing. It's only taken UT's coaches 3.5 years to develop her. (McGraw would have done it in a year, but that's another story.)

3) It's nearly impossible to be a strong defensive team unless you play man--and this has been a problem for UT in recent years. We have not had good man defenders. It is still an issue--but every player was committed to strong man defense last night, and the Vols totally shut down Vandy. I'll venture to say that we are a better defensive team without Massengale in the lineup. I love Massengale on offense but she is a somewhat LAZY/mediocre defender, and that has been a problem for UT. Carter is better defensively--and Carter had an excellent game last night: 5 assists, 0 turnovers, good defense and made some shots as well. It will be interesting to see how Warlick and Co. manage the lineup when Massengale is ready to return: We need Massengale, of course, but the team badly needs to be a better man -to-man defensive team, and that may create a dilemma.

4) One thing you can usually count on with UT, sadly--and that is sloppy offensive play. It has been our MO for years and one reason the team has faltered--that and less formidable man defense. Last night there was almost no sloppiness--a revelation. The team was patient on offense, and that resulted in better looks and a high shooting percentage. THAT, combined with good defense, is how you put away scrappy teams. We got the ball inside to Harrison, Harrison recognized double-teams and kicked the ball outside when needed. The passing was improved--though it is still not nearly as good as it could be. For some reason UT players don't want to pass the ball to Russell when she has established low-post position. The team's post-entry passing remains a weakness--especially Jones.

5) The coaches need to keep pushing and working with Jones, and Graves, on the offensive end. Burdick seems to have found her game and her active and improved play has helped the team, but Jones, oh my, is another dilemma. She is an excellent athlete, good size and a excellent defender--the best we have. We need her defense--but she is clueless on offense (0 assists, 3 turnovers last night, pretty standard for her). She gets the ball and never seems to know what to do--very indecisive; she watches bigs post up but does not know how to get them the ball; she just makes a lot of bad decisions. Is is frustrating because if she--and Graves--had better offensive games UT would be truly dangerous. If I'm Warlick, I turn Jones loose a bit more on offense in practice and maybe late in games where we have a comfortable lead--tell her to shoot more, drive more, be more aggressive and don't worry about missing shots. She needs to loosen up on the offensive end, find what she can do reasonably well, and maybe she can develop more confidence. She has got potential; maybe the coaches can develop it.

Great win--seeing progress.
 
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i agree with you on Jones,I have no idea why she looks so bad on the offensive end at all,she just looks lost at times with the ball in her hands,hopefully she will get over it,but i don't have a lot of expectations for that

Simmons is playing her heart out and looking good with out Masssengale in the line up,how that correlates I have no idea

they looked good in the man to man defense,which is a good thing

I don't know why you were surprised though,about the rest,good coaching will shine :) and yes,it was about time
 
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Let's be clear: Vandy is not really a good team,


Somebody thought they were good enough to rank them #16 in the nation going into the game last night at TBA.

I would say they are a good team, just not a great team due to the lack of a potent inside game. But Vandy's perimeter players, the 2 seniors Lister and Foggie, are probably as good of a backcourt as there is in the SEC.
 
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Great post from Armchair and succinct comments from Mule.Last night we saw the Lady Vols that we expected to see all year.Couple of other thoughts are that all year we have felt that something was wrong on the team and that player development was lacking.Maybe the injury to Massengale has brought a new togetherness to the team.And entry passes to the post players has gotten better,except to Russell.Possibly the players hesitate to throw to her because of her tendency to not handle the pass.Someone needs to let her know that you can't do anything with the ball until you catch it.Isn't that a maxim? It used to be.Great win to build on!!
 
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Vandy is a good team they are top 20 in women's basketball. It is silly that a team that has beaten LSU, Tennessee, and Texas A&M is not very good. The point you should have made if you make a determination to stop two players named Foggie and Lister you have a very good chance of winning. That is true of any team if you have the defenders.
 
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I guess I must be different as I thought they played an awesome game at Texas A&M and in that game they played mostly zone. You play the defense that best matches what the other team is trying to do. Texas A&M is huge inside so zone was better them and against Vandy man to man is better but only works if you stop the dribble drive and stop two players from shooting the three we did all that last night.
 
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well i know it breaks some hearts,but i will take a good performance against a top 20 team everyday of the week and I don't care what there name is,it is just icing on the cake that it was Vanderbilt,anchor that down
 
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I guess I must be different as I thought they played an awesome game at Texas A&M and in that game they played mostly zone. You play the defense that best matches what the other team is trying to do. Texas A&M is huge inside so zone was better them and against Vandy man to man is better but only works if you stop the dribble drive and stop two players from shooting the three we did all that last night.

shoot the three well, then a zone can be effective. But most of the really good teams shoot the three pretty well--and you can't defend the three with a zone. We got KILLED by ND playing zone, which turned out to be a dumb tactic--but then they probably would have killed us had we played man, too, because they pick a lot and pass the ball very well and would get a lot of layups like the did in last year's embarrassing defensive effort. Connecticut also shoots the three very well.

You almost never see teams winning titles with a zone defense. Syracuse, on the men's side, has been an excellent 1-3-1 zone team for 30 years under Boeheim--but that is pretty much all they have ever played. A real exception.

I have noticed that UT gives up a lot of offensive rebounds when it is playing zone, which is not uncommon as it is more difficult to find an offensive player to block out.

This year's team can play some pretty good man--Jones is great, Carter is good, Simmons works hard, Graves and Harrison are pretty good. Massengale is a bit of a weak link. I'd like to see us play Ct. and see what Jones could do against Breanna Stewart.
 
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Some teams you need to defend the perimeter - others you don't

3 point percentages

55 - 191 less than 30% Texas AM

131 -319 41% Vandy

224 - 605 37 % Missouri Eye is 79 for 188

130 -342 38% Tennessee
 
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Here is some thoughts on the women's BB team coming out of last night's impressive win over Vandy.

1) UT played great last night in just about every way. It was a very SURPRISING performance, and sobering in some ways, because it was so very ATYPICAL of what we've seen from UT in a long time. The Vols almost NEVER play smart and hard for LONG stretches, and yet they did last night, for almost the entirety of the game. Let's be clear: Vandy is not really a good team, but it was an amazing performance nonetheless: 20 assists and 12 turnovers. UT usually has the reverse of that. Tough man to man defense--again, haven't seen that in quite some time.

2) Simmons may have played her best game ever last night. She looked for teammates and didn't rush shots--only one that I remember. She let the game come to her. She shot well--9 for 15 (atypical). She had 5 assists and only two turnovers (atypical!). She played very hard on defense--well done. She has in the last few games played excellent ALL-AROUND basketball, as someone with her skills should be playing. It's only taken UT's coaches 3.5 years to develop her. (McGraw would have done it in a year, but that's another story.)

3) It's nearly impossible to be a strong defensive team unless you play man--and this has been a problem for UT in recent years. We have not had good man defenders. It is still an issue--but every player was committed to strong man defense last night, and the Vols totally shut down Vandy. I'll venture to say that we are a better defensive team without Massengale in the lineup. I love Massengale on offense but she is a somewhat LAZY/mediocre defender, and that has been a problem for UT. Carter is better defensively--and Carter had an excellent game last night: 5 assists, 0 turnovers, good defense and made some shots as well. It will be interesting to see how Warlick and Co. manage the lineup when Massengale is ready to return: We need Massengale, of course, but the team badly needs to be a better man -to-man defensive team, and that may create a dilemma.

4) One thing you can usually count on with UT, sadly--and that is sloppy offensive play. It has been our MO for years and one reason the team has faltered--that and less formidable man defense. Last night there was almost no sloppiness--a revelation. The team was patient on offense, and that resulted in better looks and a high shooting percentage. THAT, combined with good defense, is how you put away scrappy teams. We got the ball inside to Harrison, Harrison recognized double-teams and kicked the ball outside when needed. The passing was improved--though it is still not nearly as good as it could be. For some reason UT players don't want to pass the ball to Russell when she has established low-post position. The team's post-entry passing remains a weakness--especially Jones.

5) The coaches need to keep pushing and working with Jones, and Graves, on the offensive end. Burdick seems to have found her game and her active and improved play has helped the team, but Jones, oh my, is another dilemma. She is an excellent athlete, good size and a excellent defender--the best we have. We need her defense--but she is clueless on offense (0 assists, 3 turnovers last night, pretty standard for her). She gets the ball and never seems to know what to do--very indecisive; she watches bigs post up but does not know how to get them the ball; she just makes a lot of bad decisions. Is is frustrating because if she--and Graves--had better offensive games UT would be truly dangerous. If I'm Warlick, I turn Jones loose a bit more on offense in practice and maybe late in games where we have a comfortable lead--tell her to shoot more, drive more, be more aggressive and don't worry about missing shots. She needs to loosen up on the offensive end, find what she can do reasonably well, and maybe she can develop more confidence. She has got potential; maybe the coaches can develop it.

Great win--seeing progress.

I'll just have to cal BS on that one point. I think something other than coaching is what is helping Simmons right now.
 
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I think Simmons said it was more her gaining confidence than anything. She has always played in her head instead of in the flow of the game. She worries about the mistakes she makes and feels too much pressure. That seems to be easing and some indications are that it was a result of the players meeting and airing their problems. I think she is relieved she can get some assists and not feel she has to score so much.

Some players just get really amped up and it takes some maturity to learn how to handle that pressure. If you listened to her post game interview she is a different person than she was as a freshman. You can tell it from the things she says and how she says them. She is much smarter now and more serious. She has grown a lot as a player and a person, and we should all be very proud of her. My hope is that she continues to play to her potential because she is something special to watch when she does.

I think Jones problem is that she only played post in high school and has no ball skills as a result. She can't dribble very well and her other problems flow from that. It makes her tentative. You will see her shuffle her feet a lot getting ready to drive because she is not comfortable. It will take time to drill all of that out of her. She got by on her height and athleticism in high school.

I don't think the criticism of Massengale is wholly warranted either. We were all talking about how she was one of the few players who had upped their game from last year to this year before the injury. Now her teammates are also playing well and I don't think you can chalk that up to Ariel being out of the lineup. Sure the chemistry has changed now so her role may change when she comes back. But she wasn't the problem when we were playing poorly. She didn't make the others play without energy and she didn't make them make stupid mistakes. Correlation is not causation. I think her injury DID make the team have a come to Jesus moment though. We will have to see what her return does to the chemistry of the team when it happens, but we can certainly use another guard.

As great as Carter is playing she had some awful games too earlier in the year. That is basketball. I think the improvement in performance has been due to a change in attitude more than anything else. We played man to man earlier in the year and got burned... which is why we played so much zone. The ladies have just now decided to commit to defense as a team. They seem to be picking each other up and have tamped down some of the frustration they were showing earlier in the year.

Basketball is more about chemistry and about being aggressive than any other sport. You will never win when you play tight or worry about losing. You have to enjoy the game and play with abandon in a type of controlled chaos. You have to play in your hopes rather than in your fears and you have to cherish winning more than you fear losing. We are starting to do that.
 
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All I know is that I was saying that Carter should play only at PG and that Simmons played better when massengale was not on the floor way before Ariel got hurt.

Guess I must be a coaching genius? lol
 
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