Breakdown of Rivals 250 by Position...

[tripper]

I was wondering why everyone says that our recruiting ranking will be lower because we have to take more OLs and DTs. So, I was bored and went through the Rivals 250 by position. So here it is:

OL-4O
DB-35
DE-31
ATH-26
LB-24
DT-22
RB-22
WR-22
TE-16
QB-12

Take what you want from these numbers, just thought it was interesting that there were more OL in the 250 than any other position.

 

[justingroves]

OL and DL are also the hardest position to evaluate IMO.

I'm not a huge "Every 3 star is a diamond in the rough" that Tennessee takes.

However, it's easy to say the biggest SOB on the field is a great OL and the guys that have technique and play with leverage sometimes get overlooked.

 

[Lord Vader]

there are the most of the DL.

you left all the OL together even though they are split up into Tackles, Guards, and Centers while splitting up the DL.

 

[tripper]

I think when we start talking about 3* OLs, we tend to look regionally because the evaluation process is much easier than say evaluating a 3* from California.

 

[Lord Vader]

I was wondering why everyone says that our recruiting ranking will be lower

skill players get more points in the Rivals rankings than lineman do.

 

[tripper]

there are the most of the DL.

you left all the OL together even though they are split up into Tackles, Guards, and Centers while splitting up the DL.

I was going off the Rivals 250 and the position they listed. That's it. I wasn't about to break it down by each position. Like I said TIFWIW.

 

[tripper]

there are the most of the DL.

you left all the OL together even though they are split up into Tackles, Guards, and Centers while splitting up the DL.

However, how many OLs play the position Rivals classifies them as, for example, take a look at our OL.

 

[Evol]

However, how many OLs play the position Rivals classifies them as, for example, take a look at our OL.

Pretty sure LV is just saying that if you put the DT and DEs together there are a total of 53 D linemen. Which is more than the total of 40 O linemen.

 

[thunder5]

skill players get more points in the Rivals rankings than lineman do.

I've programmed Rivals scoring system into a spreadsheet as a way of keeping up with where we are and projecting what I think we'll end up with...

I think what you're talking about is the way Rivals awards points if a player is in the top 50 of one position versus if he's in the top 35 of another position...

The cutoff for each position is differant and that leads to more points being possible for a player if he's a QB versus if he's a FB...etc, etc

After programming this formula into my spreadsheet I've realized that this weighted aspect of the formula doesn't make a huge difference...if you've got a class full of highly rated skill players it might have 50-100 more points than a class full of highly rated linemen because of the cutoffs I just spoke of....and that's a big maybe

The big scorers in Rivals formula seems to be the number of 4 and 5 star players and the number of Rivals 100 players a team has...regardless of position

I know it's a common opinion that classes heavy on linemen can't score as high as classes heavy on skill players.....but the math of the Rivals formula just doesn't agree with that opinion

 

[SCvol333]

the OL makes up 5 spots or 22.7% of the positions on the field - they make up 16% of the Rivals 250 so they are under-represented

 

[kjennin3]

fewer four stars this year than ever before btw

 

[General Jack]

skill players get more points in the Rivals rankings than lineman do.

Another key driver in backing up the assertion that a line-heavy class will tend to be ranked lower than one with equal distribution across all classes.

And thus, why I maintain a ~15 ranked class with solid line prospects (and a low rate of attrition) will keep us dead on track towards the top of the SEC.

 

[Shadowboxer]

I would assume year by year they will get more reluctant to shell out 5* and 4* rankings in case the kids are busts, because it makes their projecting of impact players look pretty trivial, thus making competitor services look more appealing.

 

[thunder5]

fewer four stars this year than ever before btw

That'll definitely change though...

You 'll see a update around mid season that will add a bunch...then they'll be another one after the season that'll add a bunch more...then they'll be a smaller update after all of the all star games that'll add a few more...

When it's all said and done I think this year will have similar 4 and 5 star numbers to previous years....but I do think there's less at this point of the season than there has been at this point in the season in previous years...I guess Rivals is trying to put in their due diligence

 

[thunder5]

Another key driver in backing up the assertion that a line-heavy class will tend to be ranked lower than one with equal distribution across all classes.

And thus, why I maintain a ~15 ranked class with solid line prospects (and a low rate of attrition) will keep us dead on track towards the top of the SEC.

The effect of skill player vs. linemen when it comes to Rivals scoring system is minimal...

The variables that have the biggest effect on a teams Rivals score are:

1. The number of 4 and 5 star recruits they have

2. The number of Rivals 100 players they have

3. The number of players ranked in the top 5 of their position that they have

Whether the player is a skill player or a lineman has a very small impact on the total Rivals points a team will score

 

[jlovevols]

The effect of skill player vs. linemen when it comes to Rivals scoring system is minimal...

The variables that have the biggest effect on a teams Rivals score are:

1. The number of 4 and 5 star recruits they have

2. The number of Rivals 100 players they have

3. The number of players ranked in the top 5 of their position that they have

Whether the player is a skill player or a lineman has a very small impact on the total Rivals points a team will score

I think he was saying that because skill players tend to be ranked more highly than linemen, that a class that is heavy on linemen will not be ranked as high as one that is heavy on skill players.

 

[General Jack]

I think he was saying that because skill players tend to be ranked more highly than linemen, that a class that is heavy on linemen will not be ranked as high as one that is heavy on skill players.

Correct, and I would maintain regardless that a top ~15 or so class that is heavy on linemen and has less than average attrition (which I think will be a characteristic of a Dooley class) will be enough to keep us on track to compete for SEC titles by 2012.

 

[kjennin3]

That'll definitely change though...

You 'll see a update around mid season that will add a bunch...then they'll be another one after the season that'll add a bunch more...then they'll be a smaller update after all of the all star games that'll add a few more...

When it's all said and done I think this year will have similar 4 and 5 star numbers to previous years....but I do think there's less at this point of the season than there has been at this point in the season in previous years...I guess Rivals is trying to put in their due diligence

what im saying is that there are fewer four stars than there were at this time last year....Hubbs has said Rivals will probably drop back the number of kids that they rank as four stars

 

[Evol]

I've programmed Rivals scoring system into a spreadsheet as a way of keeping up with where we are and projecting what I think we'll end up with...

I think what you're talking about is the way Rivals awards points if a player is in the top 50 of one position versus if he's in the top 35 of another position...

The cutoff for each position is differant and that leads to more points being possible for a player if he's a QB versus if he's a FB...etc, etc

After programming this formula into my spreadsheet I've realized that this weighted aspect of the formula doesn't make a huge difference...if you've got a class full of highly rated skill players it might have 50-100 more points than a class full of highly rated linemen because of the cutoffs I just spoke of....and that's a big maybe

The big scorers in Rivals formula seems to be the number of 4 and 5 star players and the number of Rivals 100 players a team has...regardless of position

I know it's a common opinion that classes heavy on linemen can't score as high as classes heavy on skill players.....but the math of the Rivals formula just doesn't agree with that opinion

This guy sounds smart. I think we should listen to him

 

[VOLinCO]

what im saying is that there are fewer four stars than there were at this time last year....Hubbs has said Rivals will probably drop back the number of kids that they rank as four stars

If Rivals made such a decision for the right reasons (namely to improve their overall ranking system and, in turn, the value placed in their evaluations), I could see that being a smart move.

However, after hearing about their limited or lack of evaluations of some recruits and in some key areas of the country this year and witnessing their reluctance to re-evaluate some of their highly ranked recruits though most every major program is passing on them, I would question their motives if they ultimately have considerably fewer 4*/5* on NSD vs. previous years.