Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

There’s a penalty for breaking your contract. He paid $3 million . Or someone paid $3 million to get out of his contract. The players don’t pay a dime when they break their contract. Not to my knowledge at least.

Maybe that’s how we slow these things down. We make the player or whichever school acquired his services pay a buyout for the amount of their contract they signed w/ the schools collective.

NIL deals are 1099-NEC deals where the player isn't an employee. They aren't employment contracts but agreements to appear, sign, do a photo opp, etc. The collective agrees to provide X number of events at $$ per event. If the player doesn't show, they don't have to be paid. I believe that's how it works.

If the collective starts signing you'll get paid this much over the year, W-2 employment contracts, I think the can of worms of pro status crack open. Especially as the schools try to move NIL money and deals inside the school, if you're paying athletes with employment contracts, you're in the pro sports business.

People here want it both ways: they aren't professional athletes but the school should be able to treat them like they are pro athletes.

All of this mess is solved if the high revenue schools will rip the bandaid off and go pro OR the US Congress provides...... aw, c'mon, those folks are busy making huge changes and I, for one, don't want them distracted while they reform govt.

 

[LAVol1]

Was it bad optics for us to hire Josh Heupel when he didn't honor his contract with UCF and had to pay $3M+ to get out of it?

Is that low character?

He had the option to leave with a buyout. Not even close to the same. You can't win this argument.

 

[LAVol1]

If there aren't legal consequences then how can you say it's wrong? .

Easy. Legal does not = ethical or moral. If I verbally agree to do something for you without compensation and don't perform, I have done nothing illegal. But, I have done something ethically and morally wrong. I gave you my word and then broke it. It's just wrong, but not illegal.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

He had the option to leave with a buyout. Not even close to the same. You can't win this argument.

Hehehehe, Gibson has the option to leave and transfer. He's NOT under an employment contract to play ball for anyone. What's low class about transferring schools?

Spyre won't pay him if he leaves and will be out zero money to him unless he does signings or whatever between now and when he leaves, which I doubt they will schedule for him at this point.

You act like he's going to get paid even though he transfers. He won't. He's changing schools. So it's low character to transfer schools now?

 

[LAVol1]

Like maybe a swift kick in the butt on the way out the door!

No. More like what Barnes did with Carr. Essentially saying you're a scumbag without being that direct. Letting his teammates know he wasn't worthy of the honor of playing with them and rubbing that in his face. (Carr walked out on his teammates and lost a year of eligibility with absolutely nothing to show for it).

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Easy. Legal does not = ethical or moral. If I verbally agree to do something for you without compensation and don't perform, I have done nothing illegal. But, I have done something ethically and morally wrong. I gave you my word and then broke it. It's just wrong, but not illegal.

Hehehehe, keep digging your hole. For DECADES UT and other schools paid players under the table, against the NCAA rules. We all knew it and expected it so we could compete.

NOW...... you become concerned with morality. That's rich.

 

[LAVol1]

Hehehehe, Gibson has the option to leave and transfer. He's NOT under an employment contract to play ball for anyone. What's low class about transferring schools?

My understanding is he agreed to the terms offered by Spyre and then tried to renegotiate after he got more leverage. You are correct in that he's not under a contract to play for UT, but indirectly agreed to play for UT when he accepted the Spyre offer. His word means nothing. It you think that's O.K., I feel sorry for you, because you believe a man's word is worthless. I wouldn't hire the kid to take out my garbage.

 

[LAVol1]

Hehehehe, keep digging your hole. For DECADES UT and other schools paid players under the table, against the NCAA rules. We all knew it and expected it so we could compete.

NOW...... you become concerned with morality. That's rich.

So, what's "immoral" about paying players under the table? It's was against NCAA rules, but has no bearing on morality. It's like speeding. Is it against the law? Yes. But it's not immoral...just civil disobedience. I speed frequently, did so in my golf cart today (went 25 in a 15), but I don't consider that immoral, do you? JMO. (Mic drop).

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

My understanding is he agreed to the terms offered by Spyre and then tried to renegotiate after he got more leverage. You are correct in that he's not under a contract to play for UT, but indirectly agreed to play for UT when he accepted the Spyre offer. His word means nothing. It you think that's O.K., I feel sorry for you, because you believe a man's word is worthless. I wouldn't hire the kid to take out my garbage.

Was UT's word worthless for years when they agreed to the NCAA terms of not paying players yet had boosters paying them? Now, you're so morally upright it's comical. There's been nothing clean about SEC sports since the 1970s, likely before, and most people knew it and expected it so we were competitive.

If Gibson is bent on renegotiating, Spyre/UT can tell him to look elsewhere. They can leave him high and dry with no NIL and no place to play. It's business. They can play just as much hardball as he is, if that's his idea.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

So, what's "immoral" about paying players under the table? It's was against NCAA rules, but has no bearing on morality. It's like speeding. Is it against the law? Yes. But it's not immoral...just civil disobedience. I speed frequently, did so in my golf cart today (went 25 in a 15), but I don't consider that immoral, do you? JMO. (Mic drop).

So what's immoral about using leverage in business? It's a normal part of business. There's entire books about walking into your bosses office and asking for more money if you think you're worth it no matter WHAT you're currently being paid.

Get over yourself. You just don't like it because the players have some leverage now.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Easy. Legal does not = ethical or moral. If I verbally agree to do something for you without compensation and don't perform, I have done nothing illegal. But, I have done something ethically and morally wrong. I gave you my word and then broke it. It's just wrong, but not illegal.

So then is Tennessee immoral or unethical everytime they recruit over a kid?

You see this is the problem. You're only looking at this one way because of your fandom. If the player decides to look out for their best interest you'll say they're behaving unethically. But you'll conveniently ignore all the times the program does what is in it's best interest and move on to a better player. I'm just being fair both ways. I'm not gonna pout for a player if the program decides to replace them with someone better just as I'm not gonna talk bad about a player if he decides to take a better opportunity elsewhere. At the end of the day this is a business and I'm gonna be fair to both parties equally rather than being biased toward the team because I happen to be a fan.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It's Martinez's fault no doubt.

How?

 

[GordonC]

How?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So then is Tennessee immoral or unethical everytime they recruit over a kid?

You see this is the problem. You're only looking at this one way because of your fandom. If the player decides to look out for their best interest you'll say they're behaving unethically. But you'll conveniently ignore all the times the program does what is in it's best interest and move on to a better player. I'm just being fair both ways. I'm not gonna pout for a player if the program decides to replace them with someone better just as I'm not gonna talk bad about a player if he decides to take a better opportunity elsewhere. At the end of the day this is a business and I'm gonna be fair to both parties equally rather than being biased toward the team because I happen to be a fan.

The program gave Gibson the opportunity to play the sport he loves. Without it, he isn’t playing anywhere. See that’s where people like you fail. This is a BS move by Gibson. There is no two ways about it. The absolute power players now have is ridiculous. Look at the situation he has put us in.

Let him walk and then he can talk trash and the perception is that we don’t wanna pay players. Cave to his ridiculous demands and then that opens the floodgates. Was Gibson good last year? Sure. Good enough to hold us up with his “people” for a raise? No. You mention this is a business. Well TN is the business and Gibson is an employee. The employees don’t run the business.

Gibson needs to be shown the door immediately.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

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Ok?

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Those whining and complaining about the fellas trying to get paid are the same who have never been in the struggle for a payday.

Nothing wrong with players making money, nothing wrong with teams being leary of over greedy folks that have no loyalty and put money over everything. Not saying that is the case with Gibson nobody but him and the staff no the true situation. It will work out how it works out. At the end of the day I don’t want anyone that doesn’t want to be here. This thoughts have nothing to do with Gibson, one way or the other. GBO

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

But this is what so many wanted apparently. Oh players deserve to get paid. Yeah and how is that working out? NIL and unlimited transfers are making it harder to enjoy college football.

I agree 100%. I’m having a hard time getting excited about CFB now. Which programs can buy the best players will be successful. And it can change year to year. I’ll pay attention to how our Vols do but with much less passion than in the past.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Was UT's word worthless for years when they agreed to the NCAA terms of not paying players yet had boosters paying them? Now, you're so morally upright it's comical. There's been nothing clean about SEC sports since the 1970s, likely before, and most people knew it and expected it so we were competitive.

If Gibson is bent on renegotiating, Spyre/UT can tell him to look elsewhere. They can leave him high and dry with no NIL and no place to play. It's business. They can play just as much hardball as he is, if that's his idea.

It would have been fine if the NCAA didn’t cherry pick who they were gonna go after and who they were gonna protect at all cost. The NCAA should have said along time ago we don’t have the resources to fairly control what boosters give athletes. They could have stuck with monitoring grades and other rules that had the ability to fairly monitor. Their obsession with boosters is what got us to this. GBO

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The program gave Gibson the opportunity to play the sport he loves. Without it, he isn’t playing anywhere. See that’s where people like you fail. This is a BS move by Gibson. There is no two ways about it. The absolute power players now have is ridiculous. Look at the situation he has put us in.

Let him walk and then he can talk trash and the perception is that we don’t wanna pay players. Cave to his ridiculous demands and then that opens the floodgates. Was Gibson good last year? Sure. Good enough to hold us up with his “people” for a raise? No. You mention this is a business. Well TN is the business and Gibson is an employee. The employees don’t run the business.

Gibson needs to be shown the door immediately.

Gibson has multiple offers, including GA and Penn State. How can you say he wouldn't have played anywhere?

As for business, employees have every right to ask for more money, especially if they think their value to the business is more than they are being paid. UT has every right to let him walk if they disagree.

Gibson is taking the big risk here as guys in the portal, unless they're really top shelf guys, have spotty results at best. He may be left high and dry.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It would have been fine if the NCAA didn’t cherry pick who they were gonna go after and who they were gonna protect at all cost. The NCAA should have said along time ago we don’t have the resources to fairly control what boosters give athletes. They could have stuck with monitoring grades and other rules that had the ability to fairly monitor. Their obsession with boosters is what got us to this. GBO

Yeah, Alabama and Ohio State never got sanctions or probation...... oh, wait, yes, yes they did. Who are these schools that got special treatment?

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Yeah, Alabama and Ohio State never got sanctions or probation...... oh, wait, yes, yes they did. Who are these schools that got special treatment?

Believe what you want not going to go down that foxhole with ya. GBO

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The program gave Gibson the opportunity to play the sport he loves. Without it, he isn’t playing anywhere.

On what planet? The kid was a high 3-star recruit that Georgia wanted badly. If not us he would be at Georgia. You act like he's a walk-on who we did a favor. No, he was a coveted recruit that other high profile programs wanted.

Stop getting in your feelings and be objective. Nobody here cries when we recruit over a kid who fails to develop but yet here yall are demeaning a kid for simply taking advantage of his leverage as a coveted player at a position of need.

This is how business is run. If the kid doesn't perform he gets recruited over. If the program doesn't pay the kid moves on. The old days of schools holding all the leverage and the players having none are over.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

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Gibson has multiple offers, including GA and Penn State. How can you say he wouldn't have played anywhere?

As for business, employees have every right to ask for more money, especially if they think their value to the business is more than they are being paid. UT has every right to let him walk if they disagree.

Gibson is taking the big risk here as guys in the portal, unless they're really top shelf guys, have spotty results at best. He may be left high and dry.

I am not saying he wouldn’t have played anywhere. When I said program I meant any school. So many today wanna say if it weren’t for the players, these universities wouldn’t be making this money. Well let’s face some facts. Without these universities bending the rules for these athletes, lowering the standards for them and basically letting them get grades for doing nothing, many of them would never have gotten the chance to go to college.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

On what planet? The kid was a high 3-star recruit that Georgia wanted badly. If not us he would be at Georgia. You act like he's a walk-on who we did a favor. No, he was a coveted recruit that other high profile programs wanted.

Stop getting in your feelings and be objective. Nobody here cries when we recruit over a kid who fails to develop but yet here yall are demeaning a kid for simply taking advantage of his leverage as a coveted player at a position of need.

This is how business is run. If the kid doesn't perform he gets recruited over. If the program doesn't pay the kid moves on. The old days of schools holding all the leverage and the players having none are over.

I meant program in the general sense. Nobody is crying. The fact is he chose TN and we have him the opportunity. The players don’t deserve to hold all the power either. That’s not how business works. His timing is ridiculous. Like I said he has put us in a freaking bind. Even AP said it.

Yes I am demeaning him because it’s warranted. What’s he done to deserve a raise? Nothing. Business decisions should be merit based. You think Heupel would have gotten a raise for going 8-4 in year 2? Nope. Sorry you are wrong. Gibson and his crew are essentially saying even though I haven’t earned it, give me my lonely or I walk. If you owned a business and an employee who hasn’t earned it comes to you and says give me more money or I walk, what do you do?

You need to take your blinders off. You called this a business. Fine. In business the business owner and board members run things. Not the employees. Gibson is not a generational lock down CB. He isn’t honey badger or Jalen Ramsey. The only leverage he has is he is a starter. Pulling this move is a b!tch move. Let him go to another team where he can pull this trash.

 

[AstonRoyal]

I certainly understand getting as much as you can, but this just feels like we’re being taken advantage of while we’re down. In all honesty, I’m not even sure this is the kind of guy you win championships with because at some point it’s gotta be about helping the team win instead of leveraging it to get more for yourself. But I don’t know what the right move is here tbh.