Bruce Feldman-ESPN Insider Column

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hatvol96

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The man who wrote the definitive book on the "U's" rise to power has an excellent analysis of the aftermath of the brawl Saturday night.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
I'm not giving ESPN any money outside what my cable company sends them. Care to hit the high notes?
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The most interesting part is that he says people close to the program say the seeds for the carnage Saturday night were sewn in the fight after the Peach Bowl. LSU had the 'Canes outnumbered(I guess they traveled more guys) and the players from the "U" got roughed up pretty good, including one who has hit with a helmet and hospitalized. He says the source opines that the players made a pact then that they would never allow that to happen again. Also, he says that Coker has probably run his course. I realize you don't like ESPN. However, Feldman and Andy Katz are worth the $4 per month the Insider costs.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Frightening to think that that is probably just what they did.
It is a mindset I cannot fathom....
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What I saw with my own eyes at the OB Saturday night tells me they were just waiting for someone to provoke them. My guess is that they felt the LSU brawl had damaged their street cred.
 
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As barbaric as it sounds, fighting on the football field is a no win situation for the players. If you take up for your teamates, then you get suspended. If you don't it is akin to allowing an opposing pitcher to throw at batters all day. If you don't come to the aid of your teamates your run the risk of being ostracized.

People do not understand what a barbaric sport football really is. You have to expect that some of the players are attracted to the violence because they are truly antisocial. Given those two factors fighting really should come as no real surprise.
 
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Lexvol said:
As barbaric as it sounds, fighting on the football field is a no win situation for the players. If you take up for your teamates, then you get suspended. If you don't it is akin to allowing an opposing pitcher to throw at batters all day. If you don't come to the aid of your teamates your run the risk of being ostracized.

People do not understand what a barbaric sport football really is. You have to expect that some of the players are attracted to the violence because they are truly antisocial. Given those two factors fighting really should come as no real surprise.
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I'll be the first to admit I was involved in a couple of pretty bad on field incidents in high school/all star baseball games. I'd much rather face a suspension than face a bunch of teammates I didn't back up. However, swinging helmets and stomping people goes beyond what can be defended.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'll be the first to admit I was involved in a couple of pretty bad on field incidents in high school/all star baseball games. I'd much rather face a suspension than face a bunch of teammates I didn't back up. However, swinging helmets and stomping people goes beyond what can be defended.
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I have also been in my share of football and baseball brawls, and I agree there is a code of ethics involved. My number one rule was actually to never take my helmet off. I got a lot of mileage out of making fun of teamates who got their face beat up because they took their helmets off and paid the price.
 
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Lexvol said:
People do not understand what a barbaric sport football really is. You have to expect that some of the players are attracted to the violence because they are truly antisocial. Given those two factors fighting really should come as no real surprise.
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NFL scouts understand, and these kind of potential problem childs are finding the opportunity to make their pro dreams come true is less and less likely. Need a reason to keep it straight in college, try to get through to the potential NFL salary that lies just on the other side of a league background check.

In today's climate, I'm not sure Haynesworth gets anything higher than sixth round money. Folks knew he had an attitude problem and took the chance. Today, just not as likely...
 
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Lexvol said:
I have also been in my share of football and baseball brawls, and I agree there is a code of ethics involved. My number one rule was actually to never take my helmet off. I got a lot of mileage out of making fun of teamates who got their face beat up because they took their helmets off and paid the price.
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If you are wearing protective gear, it doesn't make a lot of sense to shed it as you are about to engage in fisticuffs.
 
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This is the only thing I give hockey credit for: let the players with the problems fight. They throw the gloves off and go at each other. Baseball players and football players should learn from this. If your teammate is fighting someone, let them fight. Hold back opposing players from piling on, but don't turn it into an all out brawl.
 
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therealUT said:
This is the only thing I give hockey credit for: let the players with the problems fight. They throw the gloves off and go at each other. Baseball players and football players should learn from this. If your teammate is fighting someone, let them fight. Hold back opposing players from piling on, but don't turn it into an all out brawl.
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You are 100% correct.
 
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