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Good point, Wheaton.
Here are some reasons which I believe deserve strong consideration in the continuing discussion of Bryce Brown's recruitment, as it relates to his possible choosing between Oregon and Tennessee.
I don't see where a comparison between Tennessee and Oregon is even open for reasonable debate at this point. In fact, other than the intrusive posters incessantly stating (read: hoping) otherwise, it likely wouldn't be.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
fficeffice" /><o></o><o
></o>In almost every conceivable category of either significance or importance, there just is no comparison between Oregon and Tennessee - and the facts which support this conclusion are both inarguable and unavoidable.<o
></o><o
></o>Overall All-Time W/L Records<o
></o>Oregon: 556-467-46 (54% Winning Percentage)<o
></o>Tennessee: 776-327-53 (69% Winning Percentage)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
></o>Tennessee is only 293 VICTORIES shy of winning as many games as Oregon has PLAYED.....and 221 more wins than the Ducks, and only having played in 87 more games.<o
></o><o
> </o>Championships
<o
></o> Conference Championships<o
></o>Oregon: 7 (5 shared)<o
></o>Tennessee: 16 (6 shared)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>National Championships (Recognized)<o
></o>Oregon: 0<o
></o>Tennessee: 4<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>Bowl Game Appearances<o
></o>Oregon: 22 (T-36th, All-time)<o
></o>Tennessee: 48 (T-3rd, All-time)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>To put this in its proper perspective: <o
></o>If Tennessee did not go to another bowl game for the next 26 years(!)- AND - Oregon went every year between now and then.....we'd then be tied......in 2035. <o
></o><o
></o>· The following schools have more bowl game appearances than Oregon: <o
></o>Mississippi (32), Texas Tech (32), Arkansas (36), Washington (29), UCLA (29), West Virginia (28), Colorado (28), Missouri (26), North Carolina (26), Texas Christian (25) (Really? Really.), North Carolina State (24), Maryland (23)<o
></o><o
> </o>· In fact, Oregon has only the 5th most bowl appearances of any Pac-10 team, trailing USC, UCLA, Washington, and Arizona State.<o
></o><o
></o>All-Time Team Rankings<o
></o>Determined by: Total Points, Winning Percentage Points, Nat'l Champ Points, "Big 4" Bowl Points<o
></o><o
></o>Oregon: 51st best (1,192 points)<o
></o>Tennessee: 10th best (1815 points) (+623)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>· Notable teams with better all-time team rankings than Oregon:<o
></o>Princeton, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Yale, Illinois, Washington, UCLA, Cal, Penn, Stanford, Purdue, Missouri, Colorado, Navy, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Baylor, Vanderbilt, Southern Methodist, Maryland. Barely edged out Rice, who came in at 52nd best. <o
></o><o
></o>Team Rankings in the "Modern" era (1975 - Present):<o
></o>Oregon: 1,465<o
></o>Tennessee: 1,655 (+190)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o>
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Further reasons that Bryce Brown may not choose Oregon over Tennessee.
Conference Records
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
fficeffice" /><o></o> Tougher Conference?<o
></o>The argument of who plays in the tougher conference could be argued to some extent, at least by some. However, the DELTA system is the most widely recognized and scientifically valid measurement available. Its findings should at (very) least warrant some careful consideration.<o
></o><o
> </o>The DELTA system shows that since the 1920's, the SEC has never had a decade where it finished outside of being the 1st or 2nd toughest conference in America. Conversely, the Pac-10 has finished as low as 6th (1940-1949) - and has NEVER finished higher than the SEC. Thats never, as in never-ever-ever. <o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>Conference Record, All Opponents<o
></o>Oregon: 265-300-27 (45% winning percentage)<o
></o>Tennessee: 365-204-33 (63% winning percentage)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
></o>Conference Record, Major Opponents<o
></o>Oregon: 191-262-20 (40% winning percentage)<o
></o>· Six (6) Teams Factored: Washington, Oregon St., UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford - losing record against all teams except Oregon St.<o
></o><o
></o>Tennessee: 189-138-17 (55% winning percentage)<o
></o>· Six (6) Teams Factored: Florida, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Vanderbilt losing record only to Alabama and Auburn<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>Pro Football<o
></o><o
> </o>Current NFL Players<o
></o>Oregon: 22<o
></o>Tennessee: 37 (+15)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>NFL Draft Picks, TOTAL (1936 Present)<o
></o>Oregon: 184<o
></o>Tennessee: 320 (+136)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>NFL Draft Picks, (1990 Present)<o
></o>Oregon: 52<o
></o>Tennessee: 115 (+63)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>NFL Draft Picks, (2000 Present)<o
></o>Oregon: 28<o
></o>Tennessee: 53 (+25)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>NFL Draft Picks, 1<SUP>st</SUP> Round Selections<o
></o>Oregon: 13<o
></o>Tennessee: 40 (+27)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>NFL Draft Picks, 1<SUP>st</SUP> Round Selections (1990 Present)<o
></o>Oregon: 5<o
></o>Tennessee: 21 (+16)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>NFL Draft Picks, 1<SUP>st</SUP> Round Selections (2000 Present)<o
></o>Oregon: 3<o
></o>Tennessee: 8 (+5)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE
Part 3 to follow<o
></o>
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Final thoughts on why Bryce Brown may not elect to attend Oregon over Tennessee, at the conclusion of his recruitment.
Miscellany <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
fficeffice" /><o></o><o
> </o>All-American Selections<o
></o>Oregon: 20<o
></o>Tennessee: 72<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>College Football Hall of Fame Inductees<o
></o>Oregon: 6 (5 players, 1 coach)<o
></o>Tennessee: 23 (20 players, 3 coaches)<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>Home Stadium Seating Capacity<o
></o>Oregon: 54,000<o
></o>Tennessee: 108,000<o
></o>EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>Uniform Variations<o
></o>Oregon: 486,365<o
></o>Tennessee: 2<o
></o>EDGE: OREGON<o
></o><o
> </o>Number of Uniform Variations That Others Dont Find Laughably Ridiculous<o
></o>Oregon: 0
Tennessee: 2
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
></o><o
> </o>Who is Kenneth Wheaton (of Wheaton4Prez fame)?<o
></o>Its Kenneth Tyrone Kenny Wheaton was a DB at Oregon. Since his illustrious time in Eugene, he has become somewhat of a professional standout in the CFL, having most recently played for the Toronto Argonauts. Duck fans best remember him for intercepting a pass against Washington and returning it for a TD, giving Oregon the rare win over the hated rivals. He has also gained attention as the national spokesperson for the NAMBLA Organization, and for his tireless efforts in promoting gay marital rights. His most ardent supporters often incorporate his name into their daily lives as a means of showing their solidarity with his efforts, and for the passage of these socially progressive issues.
<o
> </o>Conclusion<o
></o>Not only is Oregon not comparable to Tennessee they never have been, and if they havent closed the distance at this point (their record over the last eight years doesnt reflect that they are), they never will. The sad reality is that outside of the last 8-10 years or so (their best time, by far .but where they still didnt win anything), Oregons statistics make them relatively indistinguishable from the likes of Colorado, Mississippi and West Virginia. In fact, Oregon is historically shown to be the 5<SUP>th</SUP> best team in the Pac-10, cowering to the likes of arch-rivals Washington, USC, UCLA, Cal, and even Oregon State to some degree. I would concentrate on making up ground and offering the associated comparisons to those schools, first, before ever worrying about anyone else .especially Tennessee, or anyone in the SEC. In fact, given your overall losing record to all major Pac-10 opponents outside of Oregon State (theres a feather in your hat), this should be more than enough of a challenge for a mid-tier program, in a mid-tier conference.
You can hope, pray, argue, lament, yell, scream, rationalize, prod, cajole, attack, become passive-aggressive, put on a new pair of Nikes, hoot, holler, stomp or whatever else you want to do in order to convince yourself or others that all of this is somehow untrue.
Guess what?
It is.
Perhaps you dont think that all of this accurately reflects the true state of your program.
Guess what?
It does.
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Good point, Wheaton.
Here are some reasons which I believe deserve strong consideration in the continuing discussion of Bryce Brown's recruitment, as it relates to his possible choosing between Oregon and Tennessee.
I don't see where a comparison between Tennessee and Oregon is even open for reasonable debate at this point. In fact, other than the intrusive posters incessantly stating (read: hoping) otherwise, it likely wouldn't be.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
<o
In almost every conceivable category of either significance or importance, there just is no comparison between Oregon and Tennessee - and the facts which support this conclusion are both inarguable and unavoidable.<o
<o
Overall All-Time W/L Records<o
Oregon: 556-467-46 (54% Winning Percentage)<o
Tennessee: 776-327-53 (69% Winning Percentage)<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
Tennessee is only 293 VICTORIES shy of winning as many games as Oregon has PLAYED.....and 221 more wins than the Ducks, and only having played in 87 more games.<o
<o
Championships
<o
Conference Championships<o
Oregon: 7 (5 shared)<o
Tennessee: 16 (6 shared)<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
National Championships (Recognized)<o
Oregon: 0<o
Tennessee: 4<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
Bowl Game Appearances<o
Oregon: 22 (T-36th, All-time)<o
Tennessee: 48 (T-3rd, All-time)<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
To put this in its proper perspective: <o
If Tennessee did not go to another bowl game for the next 26 years(!)- AND - Oregon went every year between now and then.....we'd then be tied......in 2035. <o
<o
· The following schools have more bowl game appearances than Oregon: <o
Mississippi (32), Texas Tech (32), Arkansas (36), Washington (29), UCLA (29), West Virginia (28), Colorado (28), Missouri (26), North Carolina (26), Texas Christian (25) (Really? Really.), North Carolina State (24), Maryland (23)<o
<o
· In fact, Oregon has only the 5th most bowl appearances of any Pac-10 team, trailing USC, UCLA, Washington, and Arizona State.<o
<o
All-Time Team Rankings<o
Determined by: Total Points, Winning Percentage Points, Nat'l Champ Points, "Big 4" Bowl Points<o
<o
Oregon: 51st best (1,192 points)<o
Tennessee: 10th best (1815 points) (+623)<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
· Notable teams with better all-time team rankings than Oregon:<o
Princeton, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Yale, Illinois, Washington, UCLA, Cal, Penn, Stanford, Purdue, Missouri, Colorado, Navy, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Baylor, Vanderbilt, Southern Methodist, Maryland. Barely edged out Rice, who came in at 52nd best. <o
<o
Team Rankings in the "Modern" era (1975 - Present):<o
Oregon: 1,465<o
Tennessee: 1,655 (+190)<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
Great post, TenD! So, even Vandy has a better football tradition than does Oregon.
That really puts things in perspective on a UT site (that's what this is Wheaton, fyi).
Of course, as an SEC team, Vandy gets more TV time than Oregon, but I had no idea they had a better football tradition.
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Final thoughts on why Bryce Brown may not elect to attend Oregon over Tennessee, at the conclusion of his recruitment.
Miscellany <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
<o
All-American Selections<o
Oregon: 20<o
Tennessee: 72<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
College Football Hall of Fame Inductees<o
Oregon: 6 (5 players, 1 coach)<o
Tennessee: 23 (20 players, 3 coaches)<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
Home Stadium Seating Capacity<o
Oregon: 54,000<o
Tennessee: 108,000<o
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
Uniform Variations<o
Oregon: 486,365<o
Tennessee: 2<o
EDGE: OREGON<o
<o
Number of Uniform Variations That Others Dont Find Laughably Ridiculous<o
Oregon: 0
Tennessee: 2
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o
<o
Who is Kenneth Wheaton (of Wheaton4Prez fame)?<o
Its Kenneth Tyrone Kenny Wheaton was a DB at Oregon. Since his illustrious time in Eugene, he has become somewhat of a professional standout in the CFL, having most recently played for the Toronto Argonauts. Duck fans best remember him for intercepting a pass against Washington and returning it for a TD, giving Oregon the rare win over the hated rivals. He has also gained attention as the national spokesperson for the NAMBLA Organization, and for his tireless efforts in promoting gay marital rights. His most ardent supporters often incorporate his name into their daily lives as a means of showing their solidarity with his efforts, and for the passage of these socially progressive issues.
<o
Conclusion<o
Not only is Oregon not comparable to Tennessee they never have been, and if they havent closed the distance at this point (their record over the last eight years doesnt reflect that they are), they never will. The sad reality is that outside of the last 8-10 years or so (their best time, by far .but where they still didnt win anything), Oregons statistics make them relatively indistinguishable from the likes of Colorado, Mississippi and West Virginia. In fact, Oregon is historically shown to be the 5<SUP>th</SUP> best team in the Pac-10, cowering to the likes of arch-rivals Washington, USC, UCLA, Cal, and even Oregon State to some degree. I would concentrate on making up ground and offering the associated comparisons to those schools, first, before ever worrying about anyone else .especially Tennessee, or anyone in the SEC. In fact, given your overall losing record to all major Pac-10 opponents outside of Oregon State (theres a feather in your hat), this should be more than enough of a challenge for a mid-tier program, in a mid-tier conference.
You can hope, pray, argue, lament, yell, scream, rationalize, prod, cajole, attack, become passive-aggressive, put on a new pair of Nikes, hoot, holler, stomp or whatever else you want to do in order to convince yourself or others that all of this is somehow untrue.
Guess what?
It is.
Perhaps you dont think that all of this accurately reflects the true state of your program.
Guess what?
It does.
Very solid analysis, TenD.
And you were fair in giving Oregon the nod on 'uniform variations.' Hate to concede that, but, oh well.
The Ducks do have something to offer. :good!:
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