Bryce Brown (CLOSED)

[VSPN817]

He's a valuable resource to be sure, but some hang their hat on his every word and action which I find silly.

And my opinions have nothing to do with anything you've said to be clear.

lol. You switched on me.

No doubt Sab. I was just saying it for everyone, not really directed at you.

 

[Sabanocchio]

The idea that it's not true til Hubbs says so is silly.

I just wanted to make sure people knew that some folks projection of Hubbs is not the actual truth. I have seen him on multiple occasions admit to being scooped b/c he hadn't been able to verify a story. He just doesn't go out on a limb, that's why his credibility is so high with a lot of people.

That's for sure. :good!:

 

[Sabanocchio]

I'm an edit FIEND! I misread the part I originally bolded is why I changed it.

 

[Jack Burton]

Final thoughts on why Bryce Brown may not elect to attend Oregon over Tennessee, at the conclusion of his recruitment.

Miscellany <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
<o> </o>
All-American Selections<o></o>
Oregon: 20<o></o>
Tennessee: 72<o></o>
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o></o>
<o> </o>
College Football Hall of Fame Inductees<o></o>
Oregon: 6 (5 players, 1 coach)<o></o>
Tennessee: 23 (20 players, 3 coaches)<o></o>
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o></o>
<o> </o>
Home Stadium Seating Capacity<o></o>
Oregon: 54,000<o></o>
Tennessee: 108,000<o></o>
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o></o>
<o> </o>
Uniform Variations<o></o>
Oregon: 486,365<o></o>
Tennessee: 2<o></o>
EDGE: OREGON<o></o>
<o> </o>
Number of Uniform Variations That Others Don’t Find Laughably Ridiculous<o></o>
Oregon: 0
Tennessee: 2
EDGE: TENNESSEE<o></o>
<o> </o>
Who is Kenneth Wheaton (of “Wheaton4Prez” fame)?<o></o>
It’s Kenneth Tyrone “Kenny” Wheaton was a DB at Oregon. Since his illustrious time in Eugene, he has become somewhat of a professional standout in the CFL, having most recently played for the Toronto Argonauts. Duck fans best remember him for intercepting a pass against Washington and returning it for a TD, giving Oregon the rare win over the hated “rivals”. He has also gained attention as the national spokesperson for the NAMBLA Organization, and for his tireless efforts in promoting gay marital rights. His most ardent supporters often incorporate his name into their daily lives as a means of showing their solidarity with his efforts, and for the passage of these “socially progressive” issues.
<o> </o>
Conclusion<o></o>
Not only is Oregon not comparable to Tennessee – they never have been, and if they haven’t closed the distance at this point (their record over the last eight years doesn’t reflect that they are), they never will. The sad reality is that outside of the last 8-10 years or so (their best time, by far….but where they still didn’t win anything), Oregon’s statistics make them relatively indistinguishable from the likes of Colorado, Mississippi and West Virginia. In fact, Oregon is historically shown to be the 5<SUP>th</SUP> best team in the Pac-10, cowering to the likes of arch-rivals Washington, USC, UCLA, Cal, and even Oregon State to some degree. I would concentrate on making up ground – and offering the associated comparisons – to those schools, first, before ever worrying about anyone else….especially Tennessee, or anyone in the SEC. In fact, given your overall losing record to all major Pac-10 opponents outside of Oregon State (there’s a feather in your hat), this should be more than enough of a challenge for a mid-tier program, in a mid-tier conference.
You can hope, pray, argue, lament, yell, scream, rationalize, prod, cajole, attack, become passive-aggressive, put on a new pair of Nikes, hoot, holler, stomp or whatever else you want to do in order to convince yourself or others that all of this is somehow untrue.
Guess what?
It is.
Perhaps you don’t think that all of this accurately reflects the true state of your program.
Guess what?
It does.

Congratulations Tenacious D, you just beat the Internet.

 

[TROLLVOL]

6155

 

[SpringBokVol]

6155

Really? :clapping:

 

[Indianavol4eva]

so is LSU basically out of the running?

 

[NicktheVolFan]

This thread would make an entertaining TV show.

 

[bignewt]

Kyle took a bullet for me, now Ive got to rock for three,

BB and me...don't forget about Tenacious D!

 

[PrattvilleVol]

Keep believing that. It probably helps you sleep better at night. The fact I could buy and sell your pathetic, soon to probably be a cheap, public service lawyer arse 1,000 times over is a little tougher for you to deal with. I hope to run across you in the courtroom someday. Bashing mental invalids for sport is my favorite hobby.

Hat may be truthful here...With over 31k posts he has a lot of free time. Either he's very wealthy or living in his parents basement. k:

 

[98vol]

VSPN

When is your next show? You mentioned on your last show that BB would come back on, do you have that time and date nailed down?

 

[wheaton4prez]

I concur. Why visit a school, with your family no less, on the weekend before your Monday announcement, if the decision hasn't already been made.

I see it as the exact opposite. Why make the trip now if someone didn't still need further convincing? If the decision has been made, they could simply wait for the 16th, announce and then come out to check it out any time after.

Why do you think that Bryce is upset that the rumor is out?

Maybe because he anticipated that people would act exactly the way that they are and that if he doesn't go to UT, people will have gotten their hopes up for nothing.

Good point, Wheaton. Here are some reasons which I believe deserve strong consideration in the continuing discussion of Bryce Brown's recruitment, as it relates to his possible choosing between Oregon and Tennessee. I don't see where a comparison between Tennessee and Oregon is even open for reasonable debate at this point. In fact, other than the intrusive posters incessantly stating (read: hoping) otherwise, it likely wouldn't be. In almost every conceivable category of either significance or importance, there just is no comparison between Oregon and Tennessee - and the facts which support this conclusion are both inarguable and unavoidable.

Thank you for taking your time to put these posts together, D. However, at this point, I have to be a little concerned about you. You seem to be making arguments for why Tennessee fans have more bragging rights than Oregon fans. For all of your efforts with fancy font and coloring, you have failed to make any argument that is substantial toward why a recruit would pick either program for their current and relevant merits.

For your convenience, I will include links to the descriptions of the various logical fallacies you have employed in your posts so that you might understand better and move on to more substantial arguments (if you can think of any).

Overall All-Time W/L Records, Conference Championships, National Championships, Bowl Game Appearances, All-Time Team Rankings, Team Rankings in the "Modern" era (1975 - Present), Hot Dog Eating Championships

Logical Fallacy Employed: Genetic fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Past accolades are great for fans. However, they are a small consolation to players if no accolades are achieved while the player is actually on the team.

Tougher Conference?

Logical Fallacy Employed: Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brown can not play for the entire SEC. He must play for one team. Therefore, the record of current teams he is choosing is far more substantial than any cumulative conference records. This is due to the simple fact that, within every conference, there often exist weaker teams. Being on the weak team is not made any better for an individual player by the fact that the other teams are relatively stronger on average.

It also ignores the specific way in which they might be stronger. If a conference is strong due mostly to defensive play, those statistics become even more irrelevant. Since Brown is an offensive player, he is presumably looking to play in the most productive offense, right?

NFL Draft Picks, TOTAL (1936 – Present)

Logical Fallacies Employed: False analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tennessee has an impressive cumulative history of NFL players. However, those players were coached by different people under different circumstances. That some lineman was drafted by the NFL from UT in the past will be of little consolation if Brown were to go as a lower pick than he hopes to.

All-American Selections, College Football Hall of Fame Inductees, Miss USA Runner-Ups

Logical Fallacies Employed: False analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Awards specific to other players, coached by different people are not relevant to determining what awards the current players might achieve while being coached by the new staff.

Home Stadium Seating Capacity

It's true that the seating capacity is higher at UT. However, for lack of seating capacity, Oregon fans makes up for with well-known intensity (Brown has experienced this first hand and it may be one of the reasons he has said that Oregon "sells itself").

Additionally, there are plans in the works to expand Autzen stadium to a greater seating capacity. That could conceivably happen while Brown is at Oregon, if he chooses to go there. I think it could be seen as a plus to have the opportunity to establish a legacy at a school that involved making it possible to expand the stadium.

Not only is Oregon not comparable to Tennessee – they never have been, and if they haven’t closed the distance at this point (their record over the last eight years doesn’t reflect that they are), they never will. The sad reality is that outside of the last 8-10 years or so (their best time, by far….but where they still didn’t win anything), Oregon’s statistics make them relatively indistinguishable from the likes of Colorado, Mississippi and West Virginia. In fact, Oregon is historically shown to be the 5<SUP>th</SUP> best team in the Pac-10, cowering to the likes of arch-rivals Washington, USC, UCLA, Cal, and even Oregon State to some degree. I would concentrate on making up ground – and offering the associated comparisons – to those schools, first, before ever worrying about anyone else….especially Tennessee, or anyone in the SEC. In fact, given your overall losing record to all major Pac-10 opponents outside of Oregon State (there’s a feather in your hat), this should be more than enough of a challenge for a mid-tier program, in a mid-tier conference. [/FONT][/SIZE] You can hope, pray, argue, lament, yell, scream, rationalize, prod, cajole, attack, become passive-aggressive, put on a new pair of Nikes, hoot, holler, stomp or whatever else you want to do in order to convince yourself or others that all of this is somehow untrue. Guess what? It is. Perhaps you don’t think that all of this accurately reflects the true state of your program. Guess what? It does.

I'm sorry. But, it doesn't. In all of your effort, you have avoided reference to the statistics that are most relevant to what Brown will most likely experience at either program: recent results. Perhaps you do this because the hopes of UT success, at this point, are based on fan conjecture instead of relevant track record and professional consensus.

Oregon is coming off of a 10-3 season after commanding the #2 rushing offense in the nation and is projected to be a top 25 (top 10 by some) team in all polls. UT is coming off of a 5-7 season and is not projected to make the top 25 in any poll that I'm aware of.

Maybe Tennessee will rebuild over time. But, a recruit only has 3-5 years at a school. It would be unfortunate for Brown to spend his entire college career at a program in rebuilding years when he could have entered the scene with a top team from year one.

Add to that the Kiffin factor. Due to his flamboyant approach, he has drawn an excessive amount of attention onto himself. He believes that the publicity is good. Maybe it will turn out to be. But, if he falters at all, the stage is set (by him) for the media to constantly talk about him not living up to his claims. How long do you think UT alumni will want to tolerate that kind of derision if Kiffin doesn't produce immediately? How annoying might it be for players to be constantly asked by reporters about their coach instead of about them?

Kiffin is a direct contrast to the coaching situation at Oregon. Chip Kelly enjoys widespread respect by the media and fans abroad. He is recognized as one of the top offensive minds in the college game and has proven himself on the field, at UO, with current players and most of the same staff. The concern at Oregon is not whether or not a new coach will last, work out or gain respect but rather how much the program has to do to make sure Kelly stays (and they have shown a commitment to keeping him there).

Thanks again for taking the time to make your list of arguments for why it's awesome to be a UT fan. I'm impressed. I look forward to seeing what you might come up with that would be good reasons for Brown to play there (other than seating capacity and geographical location).

Cliff notes: you got served, wheaton.

I'm your Huckleberry.

 

[wildberry14]

so i know this is a little forward, but do you think that if we signed BB, it would hurt our chances for rbs in 2010 such as lattimore, storm johnson, mack brown, etc...
BTW- i would prefer to sign BB, whom i think is the best of any of these names.

 

[VolGradDaddy]

OMG did anybody actually read this. I read the first two words and then scrolled down all the way to the bottom, your reply never ends!!!!

 

[indianacurly]

VSPN

When is your next show? You mentioned on your last show that BB would come back on, do you have that time and date nailed down?

tomorrow night -
Sports internet radio shows and Vols internet radio by VSPN | BlogTalkRadio

i believe he's stated that bb has confirmed his commitment to doing a show after his announcement and signing

 

[VSPN817]

I see it as the exact opposite. Why make the trip now if someone didn't still need further convincing? If the decision has been made, they could simply wait for the 16th, announce and then come out to check it out any time after.

You are incorrect. I so wish I could tell you exactly why, but until that time comes, take my word for it.

Maybe because he anticipated that people would act exactly the way that they are and that if he doesn't go to UT, people will have gotten their hopes up for nothing.

Again. No one knows why he was pissed better than me. I heard the brunt of it. And it's not got anything to do with what you just posted.

 

[wildberry14]

OMG did anybody actually read this. I read the first two words and then scrolled down all the way to the bottom, your reply never ends!!!!

yeah i definitely didn't read it. he is more long-winded than edgar allen poe

 

[btrotter]

you guys have way to much time!

 

[NicktheVolFan]

yeah i definitely didn't read it. he is more long-winded than edgar allen poe

More windy than a bag of farts.

 

[98vol]

tomorrow night -
Sports internet radio shows and Vols internet radio by VSPN | BlogTalkRadio

i believe he's stated that bb has confirmed his commitment to doing a show after his announcement and signing

Thank you. :good!:

 

[NashVol11]

Hat may be truthful here...With over 31k posts he has a lot of free time. Either he's very wealthy or living in his parents basement. k:

Technically, if you bought and sold someone at the same price, 1000 times over, you would keep gaining back the money you had lost and would end up having neither gained nor lost money. So you really wouldn't have to be rich at all.

Just being difficult. haha. But I see what he's saying.

 

[wildberry14]

you guys have way to much time!

k... thank you for your input.

 

[m1al]

Dayummmm Wheaton... Give it a friggin rest... Some of your posts remind me of a monkey effin a football. Entertaining in a painful way. Who are you trying to impress anyway?

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

When is he supposed to announce again?

 

[wildberry14]

he does the same thing on tigerdroppings...with the same results