Busch - Montoya Altercation

#2
#2
It looks as if they've penalized Pablo Wrecko a couple of laps for altercation. Was Pablo Wrecko in the wrong? Yes. Should he be penalized? Yes. But everyone that gets the slightest penalty due to aggressive driving should protest Nascar until Busch gets one. I know Busch hasn't started every "incident" that he's been in, but he's been involved in too many. Nascar needs to stop him now. People can make fun of Stewart all they want, but everytime he does something it's for a reason. When the Shrub does something it's due to his lack of maturity. He'll learn, but if Nascar would step in and encourage Gibbs, Braun, and Ballew to maybe tell him it'll be longer than if someone finally pounds his head in.
 
#4
#4
i like them both. i like to see them arguing with each other. both are great characters.
 
#5
#5
I'm not one to dwell on "outside" accomplishments when talking about "strictly" Nascar discussions. First off, I really do think Pablo Wrecko is a good driver, but not for the insanely crazy hype he receives(other than Jr, he receives the most hype and until he proves he can compete in Nascar it'll be just that, hype). Pablo's accomplished 100x more than the Shrub. It's great to see some people actually taking matters into their own hands ex. Hornaday, Wallace, Pablo. Someone needs to tell Kyle that up until 4 months ago he'd won 4 races in 3 years of Sprint Cup competition and had got beaten out for a Busch Title by Truex. Kyle's an awesome driver, but until he shows a little respect and can win a championship and have a long, consistent career I'll continue to cringe when I hear him being uttered up there with the Earnhardts, Petty's, Pearson's, Gordon's Stewarts, etc. It makes me sick to hear DW salivate all over him like he's God's gift to Earth. Kyle needs to work on gaining respect from his opponents and show that this hot streak he's been on isn't just a hot streak, but signs of things to come
 
#6
#6
Ganassi really took it in the behind the year he had Marlin poised to win the Cup, only to lose him to a broken back or neck or whatever it was. i forgot.

it's only a matter of time before Montoya realizes there's better rides out there. and owners/sponsors realize the marketing possibilities with him.

Sorenson is probably gone after this year. i've seen people say sooner than later. he MIGHT have bought himself some time today.

Dario needs to run back to the IRL A. S. A. P.
 
#7
#7
Ganassi from what I've heard is really going after Wheldon hard. Don't know if there's any truth to the rumor, but what will it take for Ganassi to realize that having 3 open wheel drivers on the same team is probably not going to work out. I've also heard that Pablo Wrecko may be a serious candidate for the #20's vacated seat. I see that very interesting. The only way I see him going to Gibbs would be if Gibbs starts a 4th team(which I would advise). Lagono all but has sealed up the 3rd Gibbs ride for next year. Heck, if Newman stays with Penske Pablo may look into going to Haas/CNC/Stewart next year.
 
#8
#8
i haven't heard anybody outside of message boards talking about some of those rumors.

Wheldon is interested, but he has to see what's going on and not want any part of it. the money is better but he has a pretty cushy gig in the IRL right now. he'd be stupid.

and, historically speaking, the open wheel drivers have had more success in stock cars than vice versa. but those days are gone. it would take time to adjust regardless.
 
#9
#9
The business side of Nascar now forces owners to start open wheelers off in cup from the beginning. Ideally, I'd want to put my guy in a truck for a year and let him run select Arca races for that season that involves Cup tracks. Then, I'd consider moving him up. When you're competing against 40 of the worlds greatest and you've yet to set foot in a stock car, you're up against it and no matter how good you are you're probably going to have to take some time to adjust
 
#11
#11
Just wondering how everyone felt. I know there are a ton of JR fans out there....mainly because of his father. Really, what has he done? I am not a huge NASCAR fan, but follow it enough to know there are a lot of drivers better than him that don't get the pub he does. There has bee a lot of excuses for him the past couple of years. The fact is, he will never be the driver of say a guy like Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson.
 
#12
#12
considering they now have equal equipment Jr is ahead of both of them in the points....i'm not sure you'd say he's not as good. he had some pretty crappy equipment the past few yrs
 
#14
#14
Jr ranks around 4th-6th in Nascar's talent pool. Not nearly as high as fans rank him. I'm one of the people that like him because of his father, but you have to admit Jr's a complete opposite of his father. DEI's equipment was awful the past 2 seasons and looking at DEI now Jr should be praised for what he did there. Call him overated if you like, but statistically he'll probably go down as a top 30 driver and he's the most marketable driver Nascar has ever saw. That speaks for itself
 
#18
#18
doozer said:
Ganassi really took it in the behind the year he had Marlin poised to win the Cup, only to lose him to a broken back or neck or whatever it was. i forgot.

it's only a matter of time before Montoya realizes there's better rides out there. and owners/sponsors realize the marketing possibilities with him.

Sorenson is probably gone after this year. i've seen people say sooner than later. he MIGHT have bought himself some time today.

Dario needs to run back to the IRL A. S. A. P.
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I would like to see Montoya in a more competitive car. I honestly think he would win 2-3 races a year not including road courses,
 
#19
#19
rbroyles said:
I would like to see Montoya in a more competitive car. I honestly think he would win 2-3 races a year not including road courses,
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i wholeheartedly agree. i think he can be a player in the Chase as well. it's not going to be too much longer before he figures out how to drive.

i've been really enjoying Patrick Carpentier. he's much more personable that Montoya and he's always willing to be honest about learning to drive a stock car. there was a good article about him on the front page of nascar.com
 
#20
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doozer said:
i wholeheartedly agree. i think he can be a player in the Chase as well. it's not going to be too much longer before he figures out how to drive.

i've been really enjoying Patrick Carpentier. he's much more personable that Montoya and he's always willing to be honest about learning to drive a stock car. there was a good article about him on the front page of nascar.com
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According to Paul Tracey Carpentier hates the travel and wants out. Take it for what it's worth I guess
 
#22
#22
doozer said:
he puts on a hell of a front if that's the case.
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I would consider the source, Tracy has been all but overlooked by the team owners, and may have an axe to grind. I think of all the open wheel transfers this year that Carpentier has made the most of what he has to work with. (JPM is not included in the group.) Carpentier has stepped up when he has had to in qualifying, and increased his speed over practice times by impressive margins.
 
#23
#23
of the guys who came over this year, i will maintain that Hornish Jr. is the best. however, if the team can't get the car to work for Busch or Newman, they're going to have hell of a time getting Sam running good.

as for Tracy, i don't consider him reliable. he's watching a former teammate have more success than him.
 
#24
#24
3 points

1.Hornish has had the best results
2.Carpentier has gotten the most out of his equipment
3.Tracy is probably a bitter disgruntled open wheel guy who's offers to Nascar have been completely cut off within the past year
 
#25
#25
doozer said:
of the guys who came over this year, i will maintain that Hornish Jr. is the best. however, if the team can't get the car to work for Busch or Newman, they're going to have hell of a time getting Sam running good.

as for Tracy, i don't consider him reliable. he's watching a former teammate have more success than him.
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I agree about Hornish, but he needs to have a little slack from the established regulars. Either he has ruffled some feathers or just has a penchant for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't understand Penske South's having so much trouble getting competitive, they have talented drivers, and it is unlike RP to not have the equipment up to par.
 
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