Butch and Bajakians offense

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VOLcomCameron

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I just have a few things id like to discuss and a few questions to ask for someone that might have a little bit more offensive knowledge than i do.
Hasn't it always been thought that the best offensive coordinators build their offense and adjust around their best players?
I remember watching a pre draft interview with bray and him saying that butch and the staff wanted him to run alot more in the new offense. Are you kidding me why would you EVER run a read option with him as your starter. And also why do we even run read option with Worley. It makes no sense, the guy is not even the least bit mobile and you can tell he's not very comfortable or productive in it. There is no threat of him keeping it on the read so you would think we would find different ways to run the ball. Butch doesn't seem to like playing very much under center at all so maybe some pistol would be great to get the ground and play action game going
 
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VOLcomCameron said:
I just have a few things id like to discuss and a few questions to ask for someone that might have a little bit more offensive knowledge than i do.
Hasn't it always been thought that the best offensive coordinators build their offense and adjust around their best players?
I remember watching a pre draft interview with bray and him saying that butch and the staff wanted him to run alot more in the new offense. Are you kidding me why would you EVER run a read option with him as your starter. And also why do we even run read option with Worley. It makes no sense, the guy is not even the least bit mobile and you can tell he's not very comfortable or productive in it. There is no threat of him keeping it on the read so you would think we would find different ways to run the ball. Butch doesn't seem to like playing very much under center at all so maybe some pistol would be great to get the ground and play action game going
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Now that Dobbs is starting, the read option should be more effective.
 
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Having someone who can run for 60 yards isn't a requirement for the read option. All you need is someone who will keep the ball every now and then to keep the defense honest. If you have DEs that are crashing down instantly then that's bad. So even with Bray keeping it all he would have to do is gain 5-6 yards and that would have been great. Bray would have worked with this system because of his ability for the long ball keeping the secondary from being able to stack the box.
 
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Vol knight said:
Now that Dobbs is starting, the read option should be more effective.
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Yea that's very true. Still not a fan of it but if it helps us win ill be happy. I would love to see a little more passing on first downs too
Couldn't do anything but open up the run game for us even more
 
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wolfej said:
Having someone who can run for 60 yards isn't a requirement for the read option. All you need is someone who will keep the ball every now and then to keep the defense honest. If you have DEs that are crashing down instantly then that's bad. So even with Bray keeping it all he would have to do is gain 5-6 yards and that would have been great. Bray would have worked with this system because of his ability for the long ball keeping the secondary from being able to stack the box.
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That's true. Man I miss being able to throw the ball downfield. Future looks good with north and dobbs tho
 
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It can be said either way. You need to show your intentions to recruit the right people for you offense at the same time play with what you have who might not fit in.

Till Butch gets 2 - 3 recruiting classes this will be talked about.
 
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He is also showing potential recruits for classes to come what type of offense they will be running. Second, you are not getting the full offense right now with Worely in there.
 
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Butch couldn't wait until Worley graduated to implement his offensive scheme. Adjusting to the quarterback would have been good , but it is more beneficial for the team when other players on the field to learn the system.
 
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I have an offensive question as well. I wonder why Butch and Bajakian doesn't like to run screens and wheel routes? We have the talent to do both.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I have an offensive question as well. I wonder why Butch and Bajakian doesn't like to run screens and wheel routes? We have the talent to do both.
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In the spring, I hope we master the WR screen to perfection cause we have the (WR) size to dominate those plays (North 6'4", Harris 6'4", Croom 6'5"...Lavon Pearson, the current JUCO commit is similar to CP in build and athleticism, at 6'3").

If I were Bajakian, I'd try and make a living off 3-4 JUMBO WR's on one side, where you could use their blocking ability on screens and run plays to that side, or use it to overload the defense to that side and run Dobbs off the read option or bootleg to the opposite/weak side.

We could also run some killer picks/rubs off that formation, as well as play action
 
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College play books are pretty thick lol. When a coach says he will modify to his talent it doesn't mean he will change the basic system. They simply work within the playbook to meet the needs of specific players. Esp the quarterback. The read option will be around for a while because it can be very effective in the hands of a QB that can effectively run it. Worley actually ran well, he just didn't run enough. Would think Bray would have done fine also. Keep in mind that effective offenses don't need to hit home runs they need to manage down and distance. If your QB is good for 4 to 6 yards every time he keeps that is a good thing.
 
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JMO, but to me the strength of our offense has always been the O line and the run game. Coming into the season we really didn't know what we had in Worley and the WRs. I think Butch has tried to play to our strengths but we pretty much are where we are as a roster.
 
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They do run bubbles and screens and wheel routes - frequently. The bubbles and screens have been ineffective due to bad blocking by the WR's and O-line. The wheel routes have worked on occasion.

What they do not run much at all has been slant and dig routes. Those are staples in any spread offense. Either they do not trust the QB or the receivers or both, or they simply have forgotten - who knows. They called one to Johnson that was dropped with Dobbs, so maybe they will try some more in the future.

They are only marginally adapting the O to their roster. They are installing a system for the future and are recruiting to the system going forward. It should all work out well down the road.
 
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VOLcomCameron said:
I just have a few things id like to discuss and a few questions to ask for someone that might have a little bit more offensive knowledge than i do.
Hasn't it always been thought that the best offensive coordinators build their offense and adjust around their best players?
I remember watching a pre draft interview with bray and him saying that butch and the staff wanted him to run alot more in the new offense. Are you kidding me why would you EVER run a read option with him as your starter. And also why do we even run read option with Worley. It makes no sense, the guy is not even the least bit mobile and you can tell he's not very comfortable or productive in it. There is no threat of him keeping it on the read so you would think we would find different ways to run the ball. Butch doesn't seem to like playing very much under center at all so maybe some pistol would be great to get the ground and play action game going
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Bray asked chaney. Chaney told him to go pro. Cbj would never ask bray to run. His top 2 qb for 2014 are pro style. Not running qbs. He wants to run zone read. Not read option.
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Vol knight said:
Now that Dobbs is starting, the read option should be more effective.
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i agree man. we should see a big difference. we moved the ball well vs bama, i know we were down 40 but they still had there 1s and 2s in. neal and lane will be very affective in this offense with just a threat of a run from dobbs. our offense will be very lethal the more reps dobbs gets.
 
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U only have to look at the fla n org games to see how this staff feels about their system n style of coaching. They make a decision not stick with it regardless if it works or not in that game i.e. lost fla game due to refuse to change qb until it was over and org game not going for it on 4th n short several times.

Bottom line he is going tinting his system regardless. It will work or he will be our rich rod 2.0 for us.
 
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I hate to say this because the kid is giving his all for UT. Although Worley was being used to give our freshman time to learn the system and adjust to the speed of college ball. Much like Simms was used under Dooley. We all knew that Bray had more talent. Although Simms knew the offense and could read the defense better. Same kinda thing this year. So saying that we should have changed our offense to fit Worley isn't exactly correct. They made as many adjustments as they could with Worley. To be honest I really wanted him to excel. I thought he had good moments last year when he came in when Bray went down.
 
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92volalum said:
U only have to look at the fla n org games to see how this staff feels about their system n style of coaching. They make a decision not stick with it regardless if it works or not in that game i.e. lost fla game due to refuse to change qb until it was over and org game not going for it on 4th n short several times.

Bottom line he is going tinting his system regardless. It will work or he will be our rich rod 2.0 for us.
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:mf_surrender:
 
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kyoon2 said:
Butch couldn't wait until Worley graduated to implement his offensive scheme. Adjusting to the quarterback would have been good , but it is more beneficial for the team when other players on the field to learn the system.
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I agree totally. They have to run the system that thay plan to be running for the future. We all want a bowl game and as many wins as possible but we can't risk having the rest of the team not learning the system they are going to be running for the rest of their time at Tennessee.
 
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No system should take so long to install that you need to install it now with players who can't run it in order to run it a year from now.

That said, when Dobbs was playing it looked like the system had potential.

We'll see how Missouri goes. I have a feeling we'll need to score alot to keep up. Hopefully, they'll be working on screens and bootlegs this week, because that's pretty much all South Carolina did in the 4th quarter last week and Missouri couldn't stop them.
 
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VOLcomCameron said:
I remember watching a pre draft interview with bray and him saying that butch and the staff wanted him to run alot more in the new offense.
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In this situation, A LOT MORE is 1 or 2...as opposed to ZERO...we're ok :)
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No it don't take long to install a offense but it does take a long time for players to REALLY get a good feel for it. I would have hated for the coaches to just have put something totally different in for Worley and then have to go back to what they really wanted to run the next year.
 
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There's still the play action game that it helps. The read option is just another way to run. I'm not sure why you're questioning our use of it when our running game has been great this year.
 
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