Butch Jones Presser Post Missouri

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Dragon18 said:
I disagree... motion penalties, dropped passes, missed tackles, missed assignments are execution issues and by definition are player issues as they are the ones required to execute the assignments. The coaches aren't allowed on the field to actually play each down. Is it your contention that the coaches are coaching the players to make these mistakes? I continue to support this team and this staff. Hopefully they will manage a way to step up and win 2 of the next 3 games. :peace2:
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Agree w/ your points, but I see this as loss of heart and loss of discipline. I don't want Butch fired - I like what he's done for the program compared to crap we've seen in the last 5 to 7 years. But, as a whole, the team hasn't played with this kind of lack of effort all year. I see that as a result of the coaches preparing them for this game (with everything that means).

Sure the guys were overwhelmed by Bama and Oregon, but last night they failed to even show up. That's what I'm sincerely disapointed with because I thought we were past that by now.
 
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BeardedVol said:
This.

The problem though is that we are not seeing consistent improvement being translated to the field each week. It's been one step forward and two steps back, where finally the defense seems to get it, and the offense falls on its face one game, and reverse the next.

Last night except for a hand full of players with Dobbs at the lead, the team gave up, which hasn't happened all season. That's hard to watch.

It's going to be 2016 at the earliest that we can expect the system and players to be in place with enough depth to get consistency again. None of us like hearing that because the Kiffin/Dooley years were to bad, but what other choice do we really have?
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that is what you get when playing freshman, walk-ons and players not SEC level talent, inconsistency. So what you are seeing measures up to what is on the roster.

my late coach was always right, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. As I said, recruiting will fix the issues. no magic potion other than that
 
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knoxvol16 said:
Agree w/ your points, but I see this as loss of heart and loss of discipline. I don't want Butch fired - I like what he's done for the program compared to crap we've seen in the last 5 to 7 years. But, as a whole, the team hasn't played with this kind of lack of effort all year. I see that as a result of the coaches preparing them for this game (with everything that means).

Sure the guys were overwhelmed by Bama and Oregon, but last night they failed to even show up. That's what I'm sincerely disapointed with because I thought we were past that by now.
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I said in spring that Jones biggest challenge would be November and trying to keep these players focused and driven. that the beat downs that have made them give up the last few years were still likely to happen. Carolina win gave me some hope but maybe the Bama loss and the loss of Worley was too much mentally. See how they respond versus Auburn. Don't expect us to win but sure hope we compete.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That is a fast team. We are not. It's pretty simple.
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Most on here go off of recruiting service rankings ans refuse to factor in attrition. MO may have only 2-3 star players but they are juniors and seniors while UT has 3-4 star players who are underclassmen.

And I am talking skill positon players.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I said in spring that Jones biggest challenge would be November and trying to keep these players focused and driven. that the beat downs that have made them give up the last few years were still likely to happen. Carolina win gave me some hope but maybe the Bama loss and the loss of Worley was too much mentally. See how they respond versus Auburn. Don't expect us to win but sure hope we compete.
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What do you make of our struggles on the road and it has not just been with Jones we have not beaten a SEC team on the road other than Vandy and Kentucky since 2007 and the last time we beat a quality SEC team on the road was 2006.

I think it has to be the youth of the teams we are putting on the field.
 
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I want to hear what he has to say about his staff and their decisions and if that is unacceptable and what he is going to do about it.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I want to hear what he has to say about his staff and their decisions and if that is unacceptable and what he is going to do about it.
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What decisions were unacceptable?

Just asking so we can discuss but to put out a blanket statement like that is not fair to the staff.
 
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volfan411 said:
What do you make of our struggles on the road and it has not just been with Jones we have not beaten a SEC team on the road other than Vandy and Kentucky since 2007 and the last time we beat a quality SEC team on the road was 2006.

I think it has to be the youth of the teams we are putting on the field.
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youth, lack of experience and not enough talent. Playing 21 freshman (upped # since another played last night) and 15 walk-ons (totals on the season) and you will struggle on the road. heck, you will struggle some at home versus BCS teams..

We are extremely slow on defense. it shows up every week versus these BCS teams. The fix is faster recruits and Jones understands that..
 
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volinbama256 said:
I want to hear what he has to say about his staff and their decisions and if that is unacceptable and what he is going to do about it.
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Agreed. Not sold on Jancek and Martinez. A UGA buddy of mine texted me.."how ya like our leftovers?" Some of the problem is talent and speed which we can fix with recruiting. But one has to wonder....where would we be if Saban and his staff were in their first year at Tenn? Not knocking Butch, I think we will get there but not before he makes some changes on his staff. Just asking the question b/c I don't think some of the coaches are "the best staff in college football".
 
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LWSVOL said:
youth, lack of experience and not enough talent. Playing 20 freshman and 15 walk-ons (totals on the season) and you will struggle on the road. heck, you will struggle some at home versus BCS teams..

We are extremely slow on defense. it shows up every week versus these BCS teams. The fix is faster recruits and Jones understands that..
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Yeah and we have been exposed the last 2 weeks against bigger more physical receivers.

It is comical to watch our d-linemen chase a mobile QB.
 
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Vol737 said:
Agreed. Not sold on Jancek and Martinez. A UGA buddy of mine texted me.."how ya like our leftovers?" Some of the problem is talent and speed which we can fix with recruiting. But one has to wonder....where would we be if Saban and his staff were in their first year at Tenn? Not knocking Butch, I think we will get there but not before he makes some changes on his staff. Just asking the question b/c I don't think some of the coaches are "the best staff in college football".
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I do not think it is fair to judge the defensive staff until they have more speed. These are the same players from last season and before the last 2 games I thought they were much improved over last season. I thought they played well to start the game last night but the wheels came off after that.

It is going to be tough to hire any coach until we have a few years of stability.
 
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Burhead said:
What coach in there right mind would want to come here with this fan base? You lose one game and they want to tar and feather you.
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If coaches don't like it, they don't have to accept this crummy $3 million/year job.

I hear Walmart is hiring.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I said in spring that Jones biggest challenge would be November and trying to keep these players focused and driven. that the beat downs that have made them give up the last few years were still likely to happen. Carolina win gave me some hope but maybe the Bama loss and the loss of Worley was too much mentally. See how they respond versus Auburn. Don't expect us to win but sure hope we compete.
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That's what I said as well. All of the posters that wanted to talk about how team 117 was/is so much better than last year's team said it in October.

UT's schedule has been brutal so far, as it was last year. The Auburn game next week sits in the same slot as the Mizzou game was last year, game #10. UT was 4-5 headed into the Mizzou game, found a way to lose and mailed it in.

UT goes into the Auburn game 4-5 and many on here say that UT "mailed it in" the last 2 games.

Before the season started, I said this will be where we see what kind of coach Jones is. Do the players truly believe in him in November?

I hope so, but the month got off to a shaky start last night.
 
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Vol737 said:
Agreed. Not sold on Jancek and Martinez. A UGA buddy of mine texted me.."how ya like our leftovers?" Some of the problem is talent and speed which we can fix with recruiting. But one has to wonder....where would we be if Saban and his staff were in their first year at Tenn? Not knocking Butch, I think we will get there but not before he makes some changes on his staff. Just asking the question b/c I don't think some of the coaches are "the best staff in college football".
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Georgia has their own concerns with Grantham. He's trying to mimic Bama with that 3-4 defense, and despite a lot of talent on that defense, they have a knack for giving up both yards and points.

If Georgia had a rock-ribbed DC, they would likely be undefeated at this point, despite the injuries on offense.

The best way to beat Georgia right now is to just play good offense. Their defense can be had.

Go Vols.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they have played 20 freshmen and 15 walk-ons this season so far. it is probably amazing that they have won 4 games with that.

I've been saying 2016 before this program can compete in the East division. Will have to turn over the roster and have his players available. Can't begin to accomplish that with the 2014 class. need at least 2 more like that one.

Its obvious many on this site have not been through a rebuilding phase at Tennessee. I've been through two of them. Don't feed me crap about others doing it quicker. Each place is unique and have different components that affect rebuilding.

Took Majors 9 years to rebuild.
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Hammer meet nail!
 
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volfan411 said:
I do not think it is fair to judge the defensive staff until they have more speed. These are the same players from last season and before the last 2 games I thought they were much improved over last season. I thought they played well to start the game last night but the wheels came off after that.

It is going to be tough to hire any coach until we have a few years of stability.
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I think we need to beg, borrow, or steal Oregon's speed development program. We have an awesome "hill", let our VOLS run downhill all day until we get some feet moving.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This. Also those same idiots will sing Butchs praise next time we win. We have the most wishy washy fans. We lose Butch and the coaching staff sucks. We win Butch and the staff are the best.
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How quickly people forget that we upset #11 USCe two weeks ago. I guess it doesn't matter any more to them but it does to me. Dools was here 3 years and never got 1 signature win and Butch did that very thing in his FIRST year.

There are a lot of things to complain(because I have my share) about in regards to this game but that's when you have to look at the positives. Some people just don't want to see them. Incoming recruiting class, upset win over USCe, Palardy's improvement, etc.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they have played 20 freshmen and 15 walk-ons this season so far. it is probably amazing that they have won 4 games with that.

I've been saying 2016 before this program can compete in the East division. Will have to turn over the roster and have his players available. Can't begin to accomplish that with the 2014 class. need at least 2 more like that one.

Its obvious many on this site have not been through a rebuilding phase at Tennessee. I've been through two of them. Don't feed me crap about others doing it quicker. Each place is unique and have different components that affect rebuilding.

Took Majors 9 years to rebuild.
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While I agree with what you said, don't compare Butch to Majors. Majors already won a national championship before coaching at UT.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they have played 20 freshmen and 15 walk-ons this season so far. it is probably amazing that they have won 4 games with that.

I've been saying 2016 before this program can compete in the East division. Will have to turn over the roster and have his players available. Can't begin to accomplish that with the 2014 class. need at least 2 more like that one.

Its obvious many on this site have not been through a rebuilding phase at Tennessee. I've been through two of them. Don't feed me crap about others doing it quicker. Each place is unique and have different components that affect rebuilding.

Took Majors 9 years to rebuild.
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Those 20 freshman are CBJ recruits. Do you think they just let you walk on? You have to try out. I m not criticizing just stating a fact.
 
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