Buzz Peterson Is Horrrrrible....

#26
#26
Hey, Ainge, are you being sarcastic when you keep saying that it takes longer to build a basketball program that a football program? It is by far the other way around. But I do agree that UT could lose some good recruits if they got rid of Buzz now. 1-2 more years for Buzz.
 
#27
#27
Who's fault is the losing? I don't care, the one ultimately responsible is the coach. I'm not saying that he should be fired... yet, but from Buzz's first season to this one, the Vols have always lost a bunch of close games. Let's examine.

2004-05.... 6 games so far. The Vols 11-14 would look much better if it were 17-8. Even if they only won half of those... they would be better off at 14-11.

UTC 68-69
Nebraska 61-62
at South Carolina 63-66
at Auburn 59-62
at Vandy 62-67
at Ole Miss 58-60

2003-04.... it wasn't as bad last season. The Vols either won or lost big. However, the close ones lost were really blown games that could have propelled the Vols into the NCAA tournament. 18-10 with wins over Kentucky and Louisville looks alot better than the 15-13 record that got the Vols into the NIT. BTW - the Vols lost at George Mason 55-58 in the NIT.

Kentucky 68-69 (OT)
Louisville 62-65
at Vanderbilt 58-61

2002-03..... The Vols let 5 get away that year. The difference.... 22-6 instead of 17-11 and a trip to the NIT. Win just one, and 18-10 probably gets the Vols in the NCAA. However, the 17-11 was still good enough to get into the NCAA and I still feel the Vols were robbed... 2 days later and still shocked the Vols lost at home to Georgetown in the NIT.

at West Virginia 62-65
Kentucky 71-74
at Georgia 76-81 (OT)
Louisville 69-72
Alabama 71-76

2001-02.... On the heels of 4 straight NCAA trips and 4 straight 20-win seasons, Buzz came in to a team with 2 future NBA players (Haislip and Yarbrough) and other talented players like Ron Slay and Isiah Victor. In one of the most disappointing seasons in recent memory, the Vols finished with a 15-16 record. The Vols lost 10 close games, and most of them they gave away in the final seconds. 25-6 looks alot better. Even if they had won half of them they would have finished 20-11.

at Memphis 69-71
at Louisville 72-73
W.Virginia 72-74
at Wisconsin 62-65
Florida 100-104 (OT)
at Georgia 70-73
at Miss State 91-92 (OT)
at Kentucky 61-64
Vanderbilt 62-67
at Florida 62-68


Take this information however you want. All teams lose some close ones in a season. However, Buzz seems to have lost more than normal the 2 seasons where the Vols were supposed to be NCAA bound ('01-02' and '04-'05).... as well as losing some very crucial 'must-win' games during the other 2 seasons which went a long way in determining whether the Vols were going to the NCAA or NIT.

He does well in assembling the talent. He does well in preparing the team for the opponent. But when it comes down to the end of tight games, the team seems to choke. The common denominator is not the players, but the coach.

If the Vols won only half of the 'close' games that they lost the last 4 seasons, there regular season records would have looked like this....

'01-'02 20-11
'02-'03 19-9
'03-'04 17-11
'04-'05 14-11

With 4 straight appearances before Buzz arrived, the Vols would have surely been in the NCAA in his first 2 seasons.... giving a 17-11 record a very good chance of being in the NCAA during his 3rd season. With 4 games remaining this season plus the SEC Tournament.... 3 or 4 more wins would have in all likelihood resulted in another NCAA appearance... 8th in a row.
 
#28
#28
Hey freak, I am not sure who many of us want to keep Buzz, but, as I have stated on another board, I don't think he's gone. There is a major difference there, though. The reason he may not be gone are things that don't have much to do with the on court performances this year, though.
 
#29
#29
Originally posted by orangetd88@Feb 21, 2005 12:32 PM
Hey freak, I am not sure who many of us want to keep Buzz, but, as I have stated on another board, I don't think he's gone.  There is a major difference there, though.  The reason he may not be gone are things that don't have much to do with the on court performances this year, though.
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I tend to agree otd. I think it's going to take a lot for him to be gone. However, I am starting to notice a little bit of a different tone from Hamilton. If these losses keep piliing up it may be hard to keep him around. 11-19 or 12-18 may be enough to make Hamilton really look at things, especially in a year that we were supposed to contend for a NCAA birth.

It really should be a done deal at this point to let him go. We are going in the wrong direction and it's been evident since he couldn't make the dance with that team he had his first year. No one has yet given me a good reason that he should stay or what he has done to get us heading in the right direction. I remember a similar scenario when we gave Houston a fifth year...what a waste.
 
#30
#30
Well, the main reason, IMO, that he won't be let go this year is due to the fact they are still paying Green along with Buzz.
 
#32
#32
Originally posted by orangetd88@Feb 21, 2005 12:58 PM
Well, the main reason, IMO, that he won't be let go this year is due to the fact they are still paying Green along with Buzz.
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Just think about it though. If they could get some fans in those seats they could make up that loss.

I agree with you though. It would be hard to pay 3 guys. We will see.
 
#33
#33
They might be able to make up for it eventually, but I doubt that would happen in the next year or two.

There is alot of talk about getting rid of Buzz, but no talk of a replacement. Is there someone out there who would be THAT much better for the program? That is another question you have to ask when calling for Buzz's head. You have got to get the right guy in there to replace him, otherwise, we are in this same position in another couple of years.
 
#34
#34
I'm sure we can find someone. Evryone in the begining of the year said we was gonna finish behind ketucky in the sec east and go to the ncaa's. Everyone thought we had the talent at the begining of the year. But our record dirrectly reflects our coach. And if you say we dont have alot of talent, how about all the other year like when we had Haislip and Yarbrough and ron slay.
 
#35
#35
Yeah, we could find someone. But will that someone do any better than Buzz? There are alot of people we could find, but there may not be many willing to come to Knoxville, and that will also do a better job.
 
#36
#36
From CBS Sportsline:

Buzz Peterson, Tennessee: The administration has changed, but this is still the school that fired Jerry Green after four straight years with 20-plus wins and an NCAA Tournament spot. Peterson reached neither milestone in three seasons and is unlikely to do so in Year 4 (11-11, 4-5). Recruits are starting to bail, so if Tennessee plans to bring Buzz back, it needs to follow Missouri's lead and give Peterson a Snyder-like vote of confidence. Otherwise ... Candidate: Maryland assistant Dave Dickerson.
 
#37
#37
At least UT doesnt have to worry bout getting embarassed first or 2nd round NIT. Prob wont make it...
 
#38
#38
There is one very important part of the Buzz Peterson situation that a lot of people aren't really talking about. If UT does get rid of him UT will have to pay for 3 coaches next year. Next year is the last year on Jerry Green's contract which UT will owe him around $210,000 plus whatever Buzz makes and then whatever the new coach makes. I'm not saying UT can't afford to pay them, but it would be a lot easier to keep Buzz at least one more year.
 
#40
#40
I heard Mike Hamilton had a meeting with Buzz for about 45 minutes..
I heard(strictly rumor at this point) that Buzz would keep his job, but he would be replacing his assistants..One name that has been rumored to join his staff, is Bill Guthrie, former assistant to Dean Smith and head coach at UNC :question:
 
#42
#42
I don't follow UT Men's basketball close enough to know, why did we can Green?
 
#45
#45
Originally posted by volmanjr@Feb 22, 2005 12:15 PM
I don't follow UT Men's basketball close enough to know, why did we can Green?
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Because he did not kiss any :censored: .

The University is now seeing the fruits of their labor.

One of the best hires they ever made and then turn around and make the dumbest firing EVER in NCAA history. No excuses about thugs, etc. That was just :censored: put out to deflect from the fact that the University was stupid. Only locally did anybody buy the 'thugs' story that was being pushed. Nationally, the firing of Jerry Green still bewilders even the greatest basketball minds, and no VALID argument has ever been presented by the University as to why they pushed him out.

Jerry Green, 89 wins, 36 losses, 4 NCAA appearances
1997-98 20-9 (9-7) 3rd SEC East
1998-99 21-9 (12-4) 1st SEC East
1999-00 26-7 (12-4) T-1st SEC East
2000-01 22-11 (8-8) 4th SEC East

The best the Vols have ever finished under Buzz Peterson is 4th in the East (same as Green's last season.)

Prior to Jerry Green (89-36) was Kevin ONeill who had a record of 36-47. Prior to KO was Wade Houston with a record of 65-90. Buzz Peterson is 58-56.
 
#47
#47
Green's biggest problem was Tony Harris and he was gonna be gone the next year. Jerry shouldve gotten one more year and the oppurtunity to clean out the thugs.

and with Harris on his way out i believe that wouldve been a fairly easy thing to do

but oh well Green is gone and Buzz is here Buzz will be gone soon and then who do we get?

Travis Ford is right up I-75 bout 2 hour drive at EKU and doin pretty well
and im sure we could get him at a reasonable price.

 
#48
#48
I dont know as much about the program as many of you but I was around here when Green was coach. Let me ask you this...When Green coached here were his players talent level as good as UT and Buzz has now? I remember some good players then but I think Buzz has the edge in talent. So, even with better players Buzz is 58-56 / 51% (no ncca tourney) where Green was 89-36 / 71% and 4 ncaa tourney bids. Wow.

I watch college bball on tv some and even go to games every now and then. I like to watch how each team runs its plays and which types of plays they run. To be honest, watch UT play the next few games. I mean really watch. Watch the plays they run. You can blame it on the players but it has to fall onto the coach. Do you think if Coach K from Duke had these same players theyd be 11-11? Who knows what their record would be but it wouldnt be close to 11-11. Making them run and practice 10 hours a day is all fine and dandy but in the end coaching comes down to executing plays and teaching your players how to execute those plays. Its the sad truth but he doesnt do that well.

I would like to see him stay one more year to see what he does. But, if he doesnt win a good amount next year it's definitely time to start looking for someone else.

-ross
 
#49
#49
i agree about the play execution

they seem to take forever to develop and when they do finally develop they dont seem to work or have had a good shot in mind

the inbounds plays are just bad

with the shooters they have on that team offense should be the least of the problems
 
#50
#50
Originally posted by r0sss@Feb 22, 2005 5:38 PM
I dont know as much about the program as many of you but I was around here when Green was coach. Let me ask you this...When Green coached here were his players talent level as good as UT and Buzz has now? I remember some good players then but I think Buzz has the edge in talent. So, even with better players Buzz is 58-56 / 51% (no ncca tourney) where Green was 89-36 / 71% and 4 ncaa tourney bids. Wow.

I watch college bball on tv some and even go to games every now and then. I like to watch how each team runs its plays and which types of plays they run. To be honest, watch UT play the next few games. I mean really watch. Watch the plays they run. You can blame it on the players but it has to fall onto the coach. Do you think if Coach K from Duke had these same players theyd be 11-11? Who knows what their record would be but it wouldnt be close to 11-11. Making them run and practice 10 hours a day is all fine and dandy but in the end coaching comes down to executing plays and teaching your players how to execute those plays. Its the sad truth but he doesnt do that well.

I would like to see him stay one more year to see what he does. But, if he doesnt win a good amount next year it's definitely time to start looking for someone else.

-ross
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No way Buzz has better talent than Jerry Green did. Kevin O'Neill had some great players on their way into UT when he was let go like Yarborough, Haislip, Slay, and (maybe) Tony Harris. O'Neill also had his teams VERY disciplined and JG was not that way. The team feared and respected O'Neill. It took the players a few years to get over their fear, but once they did, the program was headed the wrong way. (see the 30 point loss in the NCAA tourn. to a #12 seed) The players basically ran up and down the court while JG stood on the sideline with his arms crossed. Occasionally he scowled and threw up his hands, but that was about it. Also, I don't think the Univ. can afford to fire Buzz. They are already paying out Green's $ and then you add on Buzz's buyout, how much do you have left for the new guy? Not saying I'm the most staunch Buzz supporter, but I would like to see him given another year or two.
 
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