Cable News Race For Election Night

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Joy Behar wasn't even talking about the election on Tuesday night - she had comedians on and was talking about Leno/Conan.
 
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Scary, so when will they drop the whole "were the underdog, up against the vast liberal media"
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Helps that the point us true.
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Please, they dominate the cable news services. No doubt that if CBS, NBC, or ABC followed similar programming with right leaning commentators and newscasts they would be just as successful. Point is, they absolutely dominate their market. Whether it is because some people agree or some people just watch because it is entertaining is beside the point. They have the numbers on their side, by a huge margin. The underdog role is hollow rhetoric.
 
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rjd970 said:
Please, they dominate the cable news services. No doubt that if CBS, NBC, or ABC followed similar programming with right leaning commentators and newscasts they would be just as successful. Point is, they absolutely dominate their market. Whether it is because some people agree or some people just watch because it is entertaining is beside the point. They have the numbers on their side, by a huge margin. The underdog role is hollow rhetoric.
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In gross numbers terms, they do not dominate and their numbers pale beside those of the old school lefties.

Your point about others being able to do it and wrangle viewers is true, but works against you. Why in the hell is Fox the lone non lefty outfit?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
In gross numbers terms, they do not dominate and their numbers pale beside those of the old school lefties.

Your point about others being able to do it and wrangle viewers is true, but works against you. Why in the hell is Fox the lone non lefty outfit?
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All I am referring to is the title of this thread, which is cable news. On a level playing field they would see the same success they are in the cable news circuit and they are in fact dominating the circuit they do play in. As far as I am concerned this whole underdog talk is hogwash. In terms of their competitors, they are the bully on the playground.
 
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rjd970 said:
All I am referring to is the title of this thread, which is cable news. On a level playing field they would see the same success they are in the cable news circuit and they are in fact dominating the circuit they do play in. As far as I am concerned this whole underdog talk is hogwash. In terms of their competitors, they are the bully on the playground.
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Disagree. They are competing for the news consumer and are a distant 4th in that race. What they really are is the most popular source for those absolutely tired of the whiny left stance of the Brokaws of the world. Given that the fleeing crowd hates the lefty bent, Fox is reeling in by playing to them. At the heart of their outfit is business acumen IMO. The ideological thing is way overplayed. Fighting the powers isn't getting them viewers. Being the lone opposition view is.

In fact, a true centrist outfit or Independent driven source would steal share from everyone in a flat out hurry.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not muc on Fox, but I've never gotten the past tense vibe you're implying here. Help me with that.
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Every 10 mins or so they make references to liberal bias in the news.
According to fox they are ALL liberal, thus I always get the vibe they are explaining that they are different, they are well you know "fair and balanced".

I have to admit I watch Fox news all the time. Its like watching car crash videos, you know you shouldn't but u cant turn it off. And glen beck gives me a good laugh
 
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Nash270 said:
Every 10 mins or so they make references to liberal bias in the news.
According to fox they are ALL liberal, thus I always get the vibe they are explaining that they are different, they are well you know "fair and balanced".

I have to admit I watch Fox news all the time. Its like watching car crash videos, you know you shouldn't but u cant turn it off. And glen beck gives me a good laugh
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Which other news outlet isn't knee jerk liberal?

Regardless, that wasn't my point.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Disagree. They are competing for the news consumer and are a distant 4th in that race. What they really are is the most popular source for those absolutely tired of the whiny left stance of the Brokaws of the world. Given that the fleeing crowd hates the lefty bent, Fox is reeling in by playing to them. At the heart of their outfit is business acumen IMO. The ideological thing is way overplayed. Fighting the powers isn't getting them viewers. Being the lone opposition view is.

In fact, a true centrist outfit or Independent driven source would steal share from everyone in a flat out hurry.
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We are arguing two different points I think. The numbers say if you use cable to get your news, you are more likely to be watching Fox than anything else. Period. Put their model on public airwaves and they dominate even more because their opposition view reaches more consumers.

While being the lone opposition view is no doubt an advantage to gaining market share, the milk the underdog role because it works, whether it is true or not. Take an ideological stance, slap "fair and balanced" on it, and argue both success and underdog at the same time. That is all they are doing. If Murdock were to get a hold of one of the big three it would be the big one and the little two. I think we agree on that.

I also think your last sentence is a near impossibility. Somebody will always see bias, it's the nature of the beast.
 
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I'm fine with a bias toward every story, just not the same politically ideological rubrick slapped on every one. I'm talking about one that takes the Independent poly sci guy view.
 
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I second the Beck is crazy fun.

His moron trivia and the whole killing the puppy on radio this is pure heaven!
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Which other news outlet isn't knee jerk liberal?

Regardless, that wasn't my point.
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MSNBC duh look at how unbiased olberman and that dyke are!

Haha I watch CNN alot and other than commentary from confessed liberals on a analyst shows, its as fair as it gets IMO

The difference with Fox is they only present news a couple hours a day. Its just ultra-conservative (and conspiracy) commentary for 8 hours a day
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm fine with a bias toward every story, just not the same politically ideological rubrick slapped on every one. I'm talking about one that takes the Independent poly sci guy view.
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It's a pick your poison thing. I prefer CNN. Even though they lean left, every once in awhile they do a decent job.

Fox is good every now and then to get my blonde vixen fix.
 
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Nash270 said:
MSNBC duh look at how unbiased olberman and that dyke are!

Haha I watch CNN alot and other than commentary from confessed liberals on a analyst shows, its as fair as it gets IMO

The difference with Fox is they only present news a couple hours a day. Its just ultra-conservative (and conspiracy) commentary for 8 hours a day
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CNN isn't mildly fair. They just aren't any longer Ted Turner bat**** crazy. People confuse that with fair. It isn't.
 
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