Calipari Vs. Pearl maybe I should say PEARL vs. calipari

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Unimane said:
I don't think it was a big deal and the only reason it was noted was because of the timing of the Selby decommit. However, looking at our recruiting lately, it obviously didn't have an effect and Pearl had the situation in hand. It was a lot to do about nothing.
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Our staff always seems to have problems with thinking they have guys "in the bag" when they don't actually have them. And spending time overseas while other coaches are busting their arses does ZERO good to the program.
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#27
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Yea, but what KY slick there isn't telling you is Cal was in China while Memphis stole Will Barton away from him. I don't see him bad mouthing Cal. Different story there huh slick?
 
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Pearl being away will have little or any impact on our recruiting. If a commit was that fragile, we were going to lose him anyway. This is alot of todo about nothing.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
Our staff always seems to have problems with thinking they have guys "in the bag" when they don't actually have them. And spending time overseas while other coaches are busting their arses does ZERO good to the program.
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Always? Who, other than Selby, are we talking about being thought of as "in the bag". Selby was committed for nine months and I'm certain the staff didn't stop contacting him.

Again, I'm looking at the guys we are in on and I don't see anything that suggests there aren't asses being busted on the recruiting trail for UT.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
So you don't agree that it was absolutely foolish for a coach to go off to some ridiculous tournament instead of recruiting for his real job?

That was time that was wasted.
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No man, missing half of the evaluation period can't possibly be a bad thing.
 
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emainvol said:
No man, missing half of the evaluation period can't possibly be a bad thing.
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The guy paints his chest and gets a free pass...

These people blindly following Pearl will end up much like the Failmerites did.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
The guy paints his chest and gets a free pass...

These people blindly following Pearl will end up much like the Failmerites did.
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See, this is where my criticism begins of the Pearl Haters. Comparing him to Fulmer simply shows a lack of basketball acumen. When has Pearl shown himself to be like Fulmer? When did he have a two losing seasons within three years? When did he have a losing record to his biggest rivals? And, since the recruiting period is up for discussion, why are we in serious discussion forthe services of a top ten player this year and another top 20 player for next year, plus a few other top players. In other words, the recruiting didn't slip. Isn't that what matters?

I keep hearing it's ok to criticize Pearl, but the people who are doing this really don't have the support for their position, at least the way they contrue them. If you are going to ***** about the recruiting, you should actually check to see if the recruiting is hitting the skids. Even if we don't get Harris or Pinkston, it obviously hasn't been affected by Pearl's two week trip, unless, of course, you are just dying to rag on the guy.
 
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Unimane said:
See, this is where my criticism begins of the Pearl Haters. Comparing him to Fulmer simply shows a lack of basketball acumen. When has Pearl shown himself to be like Fulmer? When did he have a two losing seasons within three years? When did he have a losing record to his biggest rivals? And, since the recruiting period is up for discussion, why are we in serious discussion forthe services of a top ten player this year and another top 20 player for next year, plus a few other top players. In other words, the recruiting didn't slip. Isn't that what matters?

I keep hearing it's ok to criticize Pearl, but the people who are doing this really don't have the support for their position, at least the way they contrue them. If you are going to ***** about the recruiting, you should actually check to see if the recruiting is hitting the skids. Even if we don't get Harris or Pinkston, it obviously hasn't been affected by Pearl's two week trip, unless, of course, you are just dying to rag on the guy.
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Pearl already has a losing record to his biggest rival, UK. He is 3-5. It actually seems that you give little or flat incorrect evidence in your support of Pearl. Just call it like you see them; occasional criticism of Pearl is not a bad thing because it's just being honest. I support Pearl, but he has certainly given people grounds to criticize with the decommitments coinciding with his absence to the Jew Games as well as our performance on the floor last year. I hope he does better, but only time will tell.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Pearl already has a losing record to his biggest rival, UK. He is 3-5. It actually seems that you give little or flat incorrect evidence in your support of Pearl. Just call it like you see them; occasional criticism of Pearl is not a bad thing because it's just being honest. I support Pearl, but he has certainly given people grounds to criticize with the decommitments coinciding with his absence to the Jew Games as well as our performance on the floor last year. I hope he does better, but only time will tell.
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Fulmer had a losing record to Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc., not just the winningest program in history. Considering Pearl has the best conference record of any SEC coach in his 4 years here, then I think my point stands. And there was one (unavoidable) decommitment in Pearl's absence because of a shady bagman, not due to his time in Israel. I think the facts are eluding you here.

And this is my point about the Pearl criticism. The stuff leveled at him really doesn't stand up. If people are going to be so vocal and condescending about people who are "Pearl butt-sniffers" or whatever, then the critiques should be irrefutable. If you are going to say that Pearl's trip to Israel was a horrendous mistake that crippled our recruiting, then having Pinkston, Harris, Golden and Ware showing serious interest will seriously weaken that argument.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if Pearl took a round the world boat trip over the summer. If he brings in the recruits and continues to win 25 games a season with post season success, he can commute from the Wailing Wall every day, for all I care.
 
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Unimane said:
Fulmer had a losing record to Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc., not just the winningest program in history. Considering Pearl has the best conference record of any SEC coach in his 4 years here, then I think my point stands. And there was one (unavoidable) decommitment in Pearl's absence because of a shady bagman, not due to his time in Israel. I think the facts are eluding you here.

And this is my point about the Pearl criticism. The stuff leveled at him really doesn't stand up. If people are going to be so vocal and condescending about people who are "Pearl butt-sniffers" or whatever, then the critiques should be irrefutable. If you are going to say that Pearl's trip to Israel was a horrendous mistake that crippled our recruiting, then having Pinkston, Harris, Golden and Ware showing serious interest will seriously weaken that argument.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if Pearl took a round the world boat trip over the summer. If he brings in the recruits and continues to win 25 games a season with post season success, he can commute from the Wailing Wall every day, for all I care.
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Those aren't facts; the people that blame it on the Jew Games have just as much credibility suggesting that that was the cause than you do suggesting it was because of a shady bagman. We simply don't know how much of an impact the Jew Games trip had on Selby's recruitment. Am I willing to admit that there is a possibility that Pearl being there hurt our chances? Absolutely. You would be naive not to.

To the second bolded section: What if we don't get those guys that are showing interest? If they were already committed, then obviously it takes away any criticism for the Jew Games, but they aren't. And there isn't much to suggest that we are for sure going to get any of them other than Golden. I don't think you heap praise on Pearl for getting some kids interested in us. I will heap praise when they sign.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Those aren't facts; the people that blame it on the Jew Games have just as much credibility suggesting that that was the cause than you do suggesting it was because of a shady bagman. We simply don't know how much of an impact the Jew Games trip had on Selby's recruitment. Am I willing to admit that there is a possibility that Pearl being there hurt our chances? Absolutely. You would be naive not to.

To the second bolded section: What if we don't get those guys that are showing interest? If they were already committed, then obviously it takes away any criticism for the Jew Games, but they aren't. And there isn't much to suggest that we are for sure going to get any of them other than Golden. I don't think you heap praise on Pearl for getting some kids interested in us. I will heap praise when they sign.
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Except that you have to recruit them to get them interested in you. At this point, we have quite a few recruiting gurus, or whatever you want to call them, stating we, at least, lead for all of them. It's quite obvious the Israel trip didn't have an effect or we would be looking at Skyler McBee types right now.

And, on the Selby thing, c'mon. WWW talks to his mom and, suddenly, he decommits, saying "Oh, we were just too excited and made a rash decision...........nine months ago." Sorry, I've been following b-ball recruiting for a while, Selby's deal was shady as hell. He and his mom were, basically, too stupid to hide it.
 
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Forget Selby. We are going to be on another level this year. I have drank the kool-aid and it tastes fine!
 
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Well, we have the potential. We just need a few things to happen, like anyone else. This should be a year where we challenge for the elusive Elite Eight berth, if we hammer down a few loose ends.
 
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Unimane said:
Well, we have the potential. We just need a few things to happen, like anyone else. This should be a year where we challenge for the elusive Elite Eight berth, if we hammer down a few loose ends.
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Goin to be good times on old Rocky Top this year. Dont believe the bollocks. We are golden poneyboy
 
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HoundDog4954 said:
Yea, but what KY slick there isn't telling you is Cal was in China while Memphis stole Will Barton away from him. I don't see him bad mouthing Cal. Different story there huh slick?
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Barton was never committed to UK. Cal was in China to promote UK Basketball and its RECRUITING, I think thats slightly different than coaching a team in the middle east that does not make the front page of the papers.


And slick was a cool word to call someone back in the 70's. Now, not so much.
 
#44
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Unimane said:
Fulmer had a losing record to Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, etc., not just the winningest program in history. Considering Pearl has the best conference record of any SEC coach in his 4 years here, then I think my point stands. And there was one (unavoidable) decommitment in Pearl's absence because of a shady bagman, not due to his time in Israel. I think the facts are eluding you here.

And this is my point about the Pearl criticism. The stuff leveled at him really doesn't stand up. If people are going to be so vocal and condescending about people who are "Pearl butt-sniffers" or whatever, then the critiques should be irrefutable. If you are going to say that Pearl's trip to Israel was a horrendous mistake that crippled our recruiting, then having Pinkston, Harris, Golden and Ware showing serious interest will seriously weaken that argument.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if Pearl took a round the world boat trip over the summer. If he brings in the recruits and continues to win 25 games a season with post season success, he can commute from the Wailing Wall every day, for all I care.
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Your last paragraph sums up how I compare the Pearlites to the Failmerites. The blind following is astonishing. He paints his chest and gets a god status to some of you.

All you need to do now is use the phrase... "Who else could we get to run the program?". And you have drawn the parallel between Failmer and Pearl.

You can call me a Pearl-basher all you want. I just expect more from a coach.

Lastly, there may have been "one unavoidable decommitment" while Pearl was in Israel. However, that's all we can see from the surface. It's untold how much ground he lost to others while on his vacation.
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Lofton4Three said:
Your last paragraph sums up how I compare the Pearlites to the Failmerites. The blind following is astonishing. He paints his chest and gets a god status to some of you.

All you need to do now is use the phrase... "Who else could we get to run the program?". And you have drawn the parallel between Failmer and Pearl.

You can call me a Pearl-basher all you want. I just expect more from a coach.

Lastly, there may have been "one unavoidable decommitment" while Pearl was in Israel. However, that's all we can see from the surface. It's untold how much ground he lost to others while on his vacation.
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The blind following? I said, as long as he produces wins, then I don't care how he does it (cleanly, of course). Fulmer wasn't winning. What is so difficult about this? I mean, what you are saying is that a coach not only has to win and get recruits, but must keep a time schedule to your satisfaction, have a personal life to fit your approval and so on. I could give a damn about that part if the results are there. Why do you care about that stuff anyway? He either wins or loses, it's not that hard. Are you his daddy or something? Why do you care about anything other than wins and losses and a clean program?

It has nothing to do with dumbass comments like "he paints his chest". Yeah, that's why we support him. If Wade Houston only painted his chest, he might have survived. It's always stupid comments like this or asinine comparisons to Fulmer that make the Pearlphobes look ridiculous.

And, again, the "untold damage" has reflected itself in Tennessee seriously involved with four top recruits. So, the whole complaining about Israel thing is looking like another method of those wanting to attack the coach at every turn. Typical message board prattle.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
Your last paragraph sums up how I compare the Pearlites to the Failmerites. The blind following is astonishing. He paints his chest and gets a god status to some me a Pearl-basher all you want. I just expect more from a coacmay have been "one unavoidable decommitment" while Pearl was in Israel. However, that's all we can see from
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Your last paragraph was full of assumptions, so it's pretty hard to use that to strengthen your argument. I went through four years of buzz ball when I was in school so I personally enjoy having pearl is coach.

I don't know enough a out x's and o's of basketball to critique his coaching style, but I think everyone has to admit he has put our team back on the map. I have a feeling if kiffin painted his chest you would rant and rave about it being great pub.
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Vols520 said:
Your last paragraph was full of assumptions, so it's pretty hard to use that to strengthen your argument. I went through four years of buzz ball when I was in school so I personally enjoy having pearl is coach.

I don't know enough a out x's and o's of basketball to critique his coaching style, but I think everyone has to admit he has put our team back on the map. I have a feeling if kiffin painted his chest you would rant and rave about it being great pub.
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I would say it would be foolish for Kiffin to paint his chest.

Pearl has put the fairweather, know-nothing fans back in the seats. He is not however an Elite-level coach that so many want to make him out to be.

His accomplishments speak for themselves. The parallels to he and Jerry Green are eerily similar... And some of us have realized that quicker than others.
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Unimane said:
The blind following? I said, as long as he produces wins, then I don't care how he does it (cleanly, of course). Fulmer wasn't winning. What is so difficult about this? I mean, what you are saying is that a coach not only has to win and get recruits, but must keep a time schedule to your satisfaction, have a personal life to fit your approval and so on. I could give a damn about that part if the results are there. Why do you care about that stuff anyway? He either wins or loses, it's not that hard. Are you his daddy or something? Why do you care about anything other than wins and losses and a clean program?

It has nothing to do with dumbass comments like "he paints his chest". Yeah, that's why we support him. If Wade Houston only painted his chest, he might have survived. It's always stupid comments like this or asinine comparisons to Fulmer that make the Pearlphobes look ridiculous.

And, again, the "untold damage" has reflected itself in Tennessee seriously involved with four top recruits. So, the whole complaining about Israel thing is looking like another method of those wanting to attack the coach at every turn. Typical message board prattle.
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The next thing you know we will be hyping up SEC Eastern Division titles, making it to the second round of the Dance and beating up on lesser opponents...

Failmer wasn't winning, and with exception to some regular season games... Neither is Pearl.
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Lofton4Three said:
The next thing you know we will be hyping up SEC Eastern Division titles, making it to the second round of the Dance and beating up on lesser opponents...

Failmer wasn't winning, and with exception to some regular season games... Neither is Pearl.
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You've got to be kidding me.
 
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