Calling a time out before the kick

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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Probably a rule that will get changed in both college and the pros by next season. The Aub/Fla game, the Denver game, and tonight.
 
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Volsguy12 said:
why would they change it? It's very strategic
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If a kicker gets hurt on the second kick, then you may see some action. But this crap about waiting until the very last moment is just that... crap.
Once the players are on the line of scrimmage (for kicks), then they need to prohibit time outs. I'm all for getting a competitive advantage and gamesmanship, but you can't have guys going through the motion of a kick and then have them replaying that again, and risking injury to a kicker when he's in a vulnerable position.
 
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On a timeout, the play doesn't technically happen because the whistle is blown. If a kicker gets injured on a play that's blown dead, that would be an automatic penalty, right? Fifteen yards, which would result in a much easier kick. Voila.
 
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milohimself said:
On a timeout, the play doesn't technically happen because the whistle is blown. If a kicker gets injured on a play that's blown dead, that would be an automatic penalty, right? Fifteen yards, which would result in a much easier kick. Voila.
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Who's gonna make that kick if he's shaken up on the previous dead ball?
 
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milohimself said:
On a timeout, the play doesn't technically happen because the whistle is blown. If a kicker gets injured on a play that's blown dead, that would be an automatic penalty, right? Fifteen yards, which would result in a much easier kick. Voila.
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Not necessarily. It would depend on how he was hurt. If it was roughing the kicker or running into the kicker, it would be a penalty. If he pulled a muscle or something that didn't involve contact, it would just be tough luck, kick over with someone else.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Who's gonna make that kick if he's shaken up on the previous dead ball?
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I dunno, but it would be turned from a 50 yard FG attempt into a 35 yarder. How many NFL kickers do you suppose are shaking in their kickin' shoes about a 35 yard attempt?

Athensvol said:
Not necessarily. It would depend on how he was hurt. If it was roughing the kicker or running into the kicker, it would be a penalty. If he pulled a muscle or something that didn't involve contact, it would just be tough luck, kick over with someone else.
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A kicker could just as easily pull a muscle warming up.
 
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I don't see how they can change this rule. What if you notice you only have 10 guys on the field or some other thing? You call time out. What's the difference. It's up to the kicker to hear the whistle and NOT kick. Yeah it would suck if he ripped a nut on a kick that didn't count, but it is part of the game.
 
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I'm not even sure "icing" the kicker works. Do guys really seem to miss more kicks after a TO?

As one of the announcers said in the Auburn game, poetic justice would be if the guy missed the first, no-play kick, then made the second after the timeout.
 
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What if the other team lines up for a field goal, but the opposing coach notices they have a fast WR as the holder or they use a different formation which hints at a fake. Why shouldn't he be able to call timeout?
 
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I stand by the point that you shouldn't be able to stand in the ear and inform the ref that you are going to be taking a time out right before they snap. That wouldn't happen unless you were trying to make sure they kick it without it counting. That is different than icing and it is not taking a time out because of an unexpected formation.
 
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I personally like this play. Its strategic. These kickers can injure themselves in a number of ways before, during the game, and after. To take them out of their moment and to do so when all their adreneline is up is simply strategic. Emotions have to settle back ect ect...Its fun to watch.
 
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It's gamesmanship, not that much different than calling time in the 7th inning of a drunken wiffle ball game. The Refs ought to be more on the ball, though, whistling, waving, and such, to stop the play.

It must be hard as the cadence caller, though, probably worse when you're EXPECTING the TO, as opposed to when they call it.

In football, there's really no room for retribution to it though. I can remember Clemens firing a shot across Rickey Henderson's (eyebrows) Bow after Rickey stepped out for a while several times in a row. It's part of the game, and, downright enjoyable to the fanbase, in a tounge in cheek way. Allbarn did right, though, so why the hassle?
 
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dantheman617 said:
I hate this rule, its basically a way for a coach to call a mulligan on a play after the ball is kicked.
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but it isn't, if the play never happened officially....i'd laugh my ass off if a kid missed the one that didn't count, and nailed the 2nd one though
 
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I actually just heard May and Holtz say something smart regarding this... and that is that it should be done away with.

Look, if a coach is watching for the snap of the ball to call the timeout, then he obviously can't actually call the timeout BEFORE the ball is snapped. I don't know why officials have been allowing this anyway.
 
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rwemyss said:
I actually just heard May and Holtz say something smart regarding this... and that is that it should be done away with.

Look, if a coach is watching for the snap of the ball to call the timeout, then he obviously can't actually call the timeout BEFORE the ball is snapped. I don't know why officials have been allowing this anyway.
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Exactly... if the ball is actually "snapped", then the play is live.
 
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Not necessarily. I remember a goalline situation some years ago with UGA vs Auburn where the ball was snapped and UGA scored, but the Auburn player was calling timeout as the ball was being snapped. The refrees awarded Auburn a time out and made them make the play over. This time UGA did not score and lost the game by ess than 6 points. :cray:
 
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Athensvol said:
Not necessarily. I remember a goalline situation some years ago with UGA vs Auburn where the ball was snapped and UGA scored, but the Auburn player was calling timeout as the ball was being snapped. The refrees awarded Auburn a time out and made them make the play over. This time UGA did not score and lost the game by ess than 6 points. :cray:
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Then that was a mistake made by the referees... not something that agrees with the rule book. If the center even twitches the ball too much, they call a penalty on him. If the coach on the sideline is looking for the ball to be snapped, then once the ball has left the turf, he should not be granted a TO.
 
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