Can George Zimmerman get a fair trial?

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George Zimmerman fair trial: Can George Zimmerman get a fair trial? - OrlandoSentinel.com

We asked you: Can George Zimmerman get a fair trial?


YES 35%


NO 65%


Media have already tried Zimmerman

It seems quite unlikely at this point. I want to believe that our legal system will work and that justice will be served. However, the state versus Zimmerman case has been tried in the media.

The mind readers have decided George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin solely because he was black and that Zimmerman is a racist. The likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the New Black Panther Party have condemned the man, and crowds seem to echo their sentiments...
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I'm not sure Zimmerman can get a fair trial on the planet, never mind in Seminole County or Florida.

What we have going on here is public [sentencing] by the mainstream media, black community of Sanford and [people] across the country. Whatever happened to innocent until proved guilty, or is this the government of North Korea, where entire families are thrown into gulags, never to be heard from again?

The media, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and others have already proclaimed him guilty. It is a disgrace that someone has to go into hiding before being arrested, never mind before a trial. I don't believe anyone here crying for justice actually wants justice.

Why don't the Sharptons and Jacksons show up when other people die in our community — white, black, Hispanic, Asian, et al.? Because it doesn't fit their cause — publicity, notoriety, outrage. They only show up when the cameras are rolling.

Shame on everyone for throwing accelerant on the fire. Justice, I doubt it....
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Yes... public opinion, while shifting based on certain news reports, seems to have constantly held in the same general area with roughly half thinking guilty and half thinking not guilty. The charge of 2nd degree murder, however, may change things.

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Many legal experts, that have no skin in the game, say that the affidavit filed by the special prosecutor is so weak and poorly written and full of assumptions, that the judge should throw out the case. The main peice of "evidence" seems to be the statement of the girlfriend on the phone that TM felt threatened by GZ.
 
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It apparently took the intial cops 5 weeks to interview a witness. Bravo to the blacks for causing a stir.

Oh, and OJ and Casey Anthony were largly considered guilty by the American public long before their murder trials.
 
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JokermanVol said:
It apparently took the intial cops 5 weeks to interview a witness. Bravo to the blacks for causing a stir.

Oh, and OJ and Casey Anthony were largly considered guilty by the American public long before their murder trials.
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This statement proves that the media has driven this story with mis-information.
 
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So, you are saying that the officers on the scene that night did not interview one witness? You are dead wrong and so is this person if he said it. I have seen the police reports.
Who is this investigator that made this statement today. I have read all of todays transcripts. The prosecusion had very little to say, as they should not have, and I read nothing of this comment. Please provide proof of your comment, thanks.

nice Fox news dig by the way....kind of tells every one where you come from on this issue....I get my info from many sources not Fox News
 
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The guy with the beard said it today on the stand. The 5 weeks coincides with when the special prosecutor was put into place.

I will not provide proof. This is Volnation.com.
 
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JokermanVol said:
The guy with the beard said it today on the stand. The 5 weeks coincides with when the special prosecutor was put into place.

I will not provide proof. This is Volnation.com.
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So, no interviews "counted" until the special prosecutor took over.....Got It!
 
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No, the guy with the beard I believe was saying the previous cops didn't interview one particular witness at all. Regardless, you've read the transcript, so there should be nothing to get. You got it figured out.
 
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I think people are more aware of media manipulation at this point. I'm actually fairly confident that he will get a fair trial.
 
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JokermanVol said:
No, the guy with the beard I believe was saying the previous cops didn't interview one particular witness at all. Regardless, you've read the transcript, so there should be nothing to get. You got it figured out.
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You see, that is the thing.....I am 100% open minded to actual evidence, which by the way the procecution has yet to provide.....by the way, that unintervied witness is TM's girlfriend and she has eveidently changed her story a couple of times as the family attorneys "coached her" as to what to sayand she is not an eyewitness which most legal experts say make her statements "hearsay"......never the less,I have NOT made up my mind on guilt yet.......have you?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I think people are more aware of media manipulation at this point. I'm actually fairly confident that he will get a fair trial.
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I agree, if it does go to trial it can be fair as only the evidence will be allowed, not all these theories.
 
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JokermanVol said:
It apparently took the intial cops 5 weeks to interview a witness. Bravo to the blacks for causing a stir.

Oh, and OJ and Casey Anthony were largly considered guilty by the American public long before their murder trials.
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The witness could call the police anytime they wanted. I am guessing the person didn't call for a reason.
 
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T-TownVol said:
You see, that is the thing.....I am 100% open minded to actual evidence, which by the way the procecution has yet to provide.....by the way, that unintervied witness is TM's girlfriend and she has eveidently changed her story a couple of times as the family attorneys "coached her" as to what to sayand she is not an eyewitness which most legal experts say make her statements "hearsay"......never the less,I have NOT made up my mind on guilt yet.......have you?
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I don't know. IMO one can reasonably believe that Zimmerman is not as innocent as he claims, based only on what we know. That's more reasonable than someone who thinks he completely innocent, based only on what we know. The problem obvioulsy is that we don't know all the evidence.

Zimmerman changed his story just today, fwiw. You've reviewed the doc so you know this. Guess everything he has said is hearsay.
 
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JokermanVol said:
I don't know. IMO one can reasonably believe that Zimmerman is not as innocent as he claims, based only on what we know. That's more reasonable than someone who thinks he completely innocent, based only on what we know. The problem obvioulsy is that we don't know all the evidence.

Zimmerman changed his story just today, fwiw. You've reviewed the doc so you know this. Guess everything he has said is hearsay.
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based on what we know, legal experts say this should not even go to trial......there is no PROOF that has been brought forward yet that Zimmerman "profiled" or "stalked" TM, it is all hearsay at this point in a very poorly written affadavit......GZ's testimony is not in any way concidered hearsay by the way
 
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adding more detail to what has been released to the public as to the events of that evening is not "changing his story" by the way
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Yes... public opinion, while shifting based on certain news reports, seems to have constantly held in the same general area with roughly half thinking guilty and half thinking not guilty. The charge of 2nd degree murder, however, may change things.
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So you are saying that over fifty percent of the potential jurors believe Zimmerman guilty based on misleading, sometimes false with much ommited information produced by the media?

Do you think he got a fair trial in the media?

How many potential jurors are going to have their heads full of the media hype when they are eventually seated in the jury box?






JokermanVol said:
It apparently took the intial cops 5 weeks to interview a witness. Bravo to the blacks for causing a stir.
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Are you talking about the witness, apparently as bogus as a three dollar bill, that was dug up by MSNBC (aka MSLSD)?

There were numerous witness interviewed the night of the incident and they uniformly corroborated Zimmerman's account and even the late coming witness didn't say anything that made his account any less believeable.

At the time the police wanted to charge him with a crime that actually wouldn't apply if he were acting in self defense anyway but the DA refused, saying there wasn't enough evidence.

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Photo of the back of Zimmerman's three minutes after he shot Martin.






JokermanVol said:
Zimmerman changed his story just today, fwiw.
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EXACTLY how did he change his story?

He was questioned three times and uniformly maintained the same account of events and so far no evidence or any other account has produced anything other than emotional conjecture to come up with any other account of events.

Some said he wasn't even arrested, this is an outright lie.

He was arrested and after first aid was administered he was taken by squad car in cuffs to the station and questioned for five hours, never changing his story.

The next day he did a walk through at the scene with officers then taken back to the station and interrogated in a hostile manner to try to break his story, he never waivered.

So again I ask, EXACTLY what changed about his account of events occuring the night Martin died?







T-TownVol said:
You see, that is the thing.....I am 100% open minded to actual evidence, which by the way the procecution has yet to provide.....by the way, that unintervied witness is TM's girlfriend and she has evidently changed her story a couple of times as the family attorneys "coached her" as to what to sayand she is not an eyewitness which most legal experts say make her statements "hearsay"......never the less,I have NOT made up my mind on guilt yet.......have you?
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(more about the family race bateing attorney below.)

Here is something that twarts the claims that Zimmerman was profiling Martin and was a white racist (thus confirming the dogma that most all white people are really racist at heart.)


Zimmerman Bombshells: Mayor And Pictures in [Market-Ticker]

George Zimmerman was allegedly recognized by the Mayor for his intervention in the events surrounding the homeless (black) man that was beaten by a Sanford police officer's relative.

There has been a near-complete media blackout in this regard -- and questions about whether the letter published somewhat-recently was authentic.

Well, it appears (from testimony of his mother this morning) that the Sanford Mayor personally recognized George Zimmerman for his efforts to obtain justice for that homeless man.

And where is the media who tried to turn this into a racial issue?

Just as importantly, where is the Mayor of Sanford who gave that commendation and thus knew damn well what the history of this man was when it came to his views on race.
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Chris4Vols22
I think people are more aware of media manipulation at this point. I'm actually fairly confident that he will get a fair trial.
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What about this?:

Following George Zimmerman's successful bail hearing in Sanford, Fl., today, Trayvon Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump made statements at a courthouse press conference that sounded to me like veiled calls for violence against Zimmerman.

Crump repeatedly spoke about how the Martin family 'could not understand why the state was protecting' Zimmerman and used inflammatory language to describe Zimmerman getting bail. He also compared Zimmerman in a suit at the hearing to Trayvon wearing a suit in his coffin.

Crump is an officer of the court. He knows that defendants are presumed innocent and are afforded every measure to protect them during prosecution.

Crump made SEVERAL more prejudicial statements along the lines of Jackson and Sharpton have been making.

If I were involved in the case, I'd be moving to sanction Crump.
(a concerned attorney)

http://www.floridabar.org/divexe/rrtfb.nsf/FV/7D3C9D8F6365ADC685256BBC005190AA

RULE 4-3.6 TRIAL PUBLICITY

(a) Prejudicial Extrajudicial Statements Prohibited. A lawyer shall not make an extrajudicial statement that a reasonable person would expect to be disseminated by means of public communication if the lawyer knows or reasonably should know that it will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding due to its creation of an imminent and substantial detrimental effect on that proceeding.

(b) Statements of Third Parties. A lawyer shall not counsel or assist another person to make such a statement. Counsel shall exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, employees, or other persons assisting in or associated with a case from making extrajudicial statements that are prohibited under this rule.

http://www.floridabar.org/divexe/rrtfb.nsf/FV/1535A73735C78F6C85256BBC0051BDCF

RULE 4-3.8 SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF A PROSECUTOR

The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(a) refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause;

(b) not seek to obtain from an unrepresented accused a waiver of important pre-trial rights such as a right to a preliminary hearing;

(c) make timely disclosure to the defense of all evidence or information known to the prosecutor that tends to negate the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense, and, in connection with sentencing, disclose to the defense and to the tribunal all unprivileged mitigating information known to the prosecutor, except when the prosecutor is relieved of this responsibility by a protective order of the tribunal.

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Obama:
“They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”

Obama to His Followers:
“Get in Their Faces!”

Obama on ACORN Mobs:
“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

Obama to His Mercenary Army:
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”

Obama on the private sector:
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“

Obama to voters:
Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

Obama to lib supporters:
“It’s time to Fight for it.”

Obama to Latino supporters:
“Punish your enemies.”

Obama to democrats:
“I’m itching for a fight.”

Capuano (Violent Democrats for Obama):
“Once in a while you have got
to get out on the streets
and get a little bloody.”

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Fair trial? You got to be kidding me. If he should walk, The burning, looting, and violence will be rampant.
 
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OJ said:
Fair trial? You got to be kidding me. If he should walk, The burning, looting, and violence will be rampant.
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The founding fathers warned us not to never succumb
to mob rule.

Whether or not there may or may not be riots should
not play into the thinking of the jurors when they consider
the evidence of the case but somehow you know it will,
provided it ever goes to trial.

The fact that Zimmerman has to go into seclusion
because of the threat of violence against him and
his family isn't right either.
 
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