Can / will Fulmer turn it around...

[CSpindizzy]

Once again in this thread you are guilty of the sins you ascribe to others (or at least me).

Your statement to me: "You obviously missed every point I've made and have jumped on my back without even understanding my argument. Now step outside and come back in and try again."

And then in this post, you take one sentence from my post and make up a whole series of things behind the post that in no way reflect my thinking on the subject.
Classic

You just don't get it. I took your line on anomaly. I commented how that is a group way of thinking and argued that group line of thinking as a whole. I have no clue what your thinking. Basically little of what you've said made sense. My post in no way was making up a whole series of things behind your post. I'm flattered that you thought this post was all about you enough to respond the way you did. It proves my point. And I have never ascribed 'sins' to anyone so it would be hard to be guilty of those sins.

What's classic is that someone caught with no decent argument would turn around and try to flip it on the other person. I have numerous times argued several points that show this was not an anomaly season as you and others have called this. To this moment, the only response I get is "you're guilty of your own insults" rather than something logical trying to disprove me. THAT my friend is classic.

 

[WA_Vol]

does everyone else remember the article by the former titan scout talking about working with the UT coaching staff about implementing the tight end in their scheme to take advantage of Jason Witten? He basically said that UT did not adopt any of the wrinkles that the Titans used and that they were shown.

This vanilla offense needs to go. Their needs some real thought given to the plays and the game plans. Running the same vanilla scheme and game plan isnt working anymore. Everyone has seen that scheme stopped and know how to play it.

In the past UT was usually given the short passing game because of the superiour speed. That didnt happen last year and I dont think it will in the future. Teams arent afraid of being burned by UT receivers. I always felt this 3 wideout scheme was suppose to give UT an advantage with a short passing game. However, now the DB's all play UT tight, and dont give UT anything. The only thing this scheme gives you is the deep threat, but we dont need a 3 wide reciever set for that. I think this offense needs to implement the tight end and start using play action to take advantage of the overplaying LB's trying to stop the run, instead of this 3 wide receiver set that didnt work.

 

[rockydoc]

does everyone else remember the article by the former titan scout talking about working with the UT coaching staff about implementing the tight end in their scheme to take advantage of Jason Witten? He basically said that UT did not adopt any of the wrinkles that the Titans used and that they were shown.

This vanilla offense needs to go. Their needs some real thought given to the plays and the game plans. Running the same vanilla scheme and game plan isnt working anymore. Everyone has seen that scheme stopped and know how to play it.

In the past UT was usually given the short passing game because of the superiour speed. That didnt happen last year and I dont think it will in the future. Teams arent afraid of being burned by UT receivers. I always felt this 3 wideout scheme was suppose to give UT an advantage with a short passing game. However, now the DB's all play UT tight, and dont give UT anything. The only thing this scheme gives you is the deep threat, but we dont need a 3 wide reciever set for that. I think this offense needs to implement the tight end and start using play action to take advantage of the overplaying LB's trying to stop the run, instead of this 3 wide receiver set that didnt work.

My inside "sources" tell me we now have a gung-ho new tight ends coach (Matt Luke) who is pretty upbeat about the future of their involvement in the offense. Apparently Cutcliffe has put some wrinkles in since he left UT. I also understand we have a committment from a kid from Alabama that could become a super TE.

 

[volinbham]

To this moment, the only response I get is "you're guilty of your own insults" rather than something logical trying to disprove me. THAT my friend is classic.

Why would I try to disprove you - these are opinions that cannot be proven right or wrong. All I can do is state my opinion. It has shown up here (as has yours) over numerous posts over numerous threads.

As you did, I simply took your comments in an earlier post and attributed them to a "group" way of thinking. You complain about the sheep that support Fulmer for any reason and criticize you for not supporting Fulmer. I complained about the "sheep" that jump on anybody that's down (QB, Coach etc.) and say anyone that supports the coach is a sheep.

In other words, I'm just pointing out that there are two sides that can make equally strong points in their favor. There are also two sides that will dismiss the other side's arguments. Why get bent about the tactics of one side when both exhibit the same traits?


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[GAVol]

In other words, I'm just pointing out that there are two sides that can make equally strong points in their favor. There are also two sides that will dismiss the other side's arguments. Why get bent about the tactics of one side when both exhibit the same traits?
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[OWB]

My inside "sources" tell me we now have a gung-ho new tight ends coach (Matt Luke) who is pretty upbeat about the future of their involvement in the offense. Apparently Cutcliffe has put some wrinkles in since he left UT. I also understand we have a committment from a kid from Alabama that could become a super TE.

Good deal, my inside sources told me that we fired Randy Sanders, hired David Cutcliffe and moved our old TE coach to the Oline. :thumbsup:

 

[wilburnVol]

Good deal, my inside sources told me that we fired Randy Sanders, hired David Cutcliffe and moved our old TE coach to the Oline. :thumbsup:

Your sources suck. Atkins is out of collegiate eligibility. :blink:

 

[KentheOrange]

You really think that if Majors had won an NC at UT he would have still been fired? I don't. They were calling for Majors head in 88 after going 0-6.

The point is, that if you go by Fulmer's win-loss record he hasnt done much since the NC in 98. His win loss record is worse then both Majors and Battle in the 7 years leading up to both of them being fired.

I guess no matter what Fulmer does, he shouldnt be criticized or compared to our previous head coaches?? Is that your point?

I think you need to 1) Understand why Majors & Battle were fired, and 2) quit cherry picking years for stats that you don't understand.

Battle was headed down every year with no indication that he could turn it around. Majors would have been fired if he had won the NC the year before. You tell your bosses and the folks funding your salary to go fly a kite just so many times before they say goodbye.

 

[GAVol]

I think you need to 1) Understand why Majors & Battle were fired, and 2) quit cherry picking years for stats that you don't understand.

Battle was headed down every year with no indication that he could turn it around. Majors would have been fired if he had won the NC the year before. You tell your bosses and the folks funding your salary to go fly a kite just so many times before they say goodbye.

Yep

 

[LadyinOrange]

I think you need to 1) Understand why Majors & Battle were fired, and 2) quit cherry picking years for stats that you don't understand.

Battle was headed down every year with no indication that he could turn it around. Majors would have been fired if he had won the NC the year before. You tell your bosses and the folks funding your salary to go fly a kite just so many times before they say goodbye.

Tell it!

 

[cd12]

There is no need to compare Phil to Johnny, Johnny to Bill! Except that they each controlled their on fate. Its up to Phil how his story ends! JMO!

 

[RealVol]

crimedawg, thanks for realizing what this thread is really all about.

Fulmer & his Staff have got to get real in a real fast manner.

 

[WA_Vol]

I think you need to 1) Understand why Majors & Battle were fired, and 2) quit cherry picking years for stats that you don't understand.

Battle was headed down every year with no indication that he could turn it around. Majors would have been fired if he had won the NC the year before. You tell your bosses and the folks funding your salary to go fly a kite just so many times before they say goodbye.

I think your the one who doesnt understand facts. First off Bill Battle never had a losing season and always ran a clean program, unlike your dad, Mr. Fulmer. Second, I've heard Mr. Majors on the radio several times and it was lightly touched on why he was forced out at UT, again he seems to point the finger at Mr. Fulmer wanting his job. Interesting how your Fulmer apologists always seem to ignore that aspect of Majors dismissal.

 

[rockydoc]

Good deal, my inside sources told me that we fired Randy Sanders, hired David Cutcliffe and moved our old TE coach to the Oline. :thumbsup:

Darn, try to put a positive spin and get shot down. What does the "Good Book" say about casting pearls before swine? :angel:

 

[RealVol]

Man, for a thread titled "Will / can Fulmer turn it around..." there seems to be a lot of b.s. about former coaches 40 years ago. Hell if I were interested in history I'd go back another 40, 50, 60 years.

CAN'T WE SIMPLY FOCUS ON WHAT FULMER WILL OR CAN DO IN 2006. Of course, if you insist in reviewing, comparing, matching...etc. 40 year old stuff please continue. I don't believe it has a damn thing to do with the CURRENT UT situation, but I suppose it makes you feel better. How that works, is beyond me. But that's your issue. To those involved, how will UT do in 1988? If that's too boring how about 1976? Now that should really spawn some interest.

Amen.

 

[holdemvol]

IMO yes he can and yes he will. The talent is obviously there and the things that were lacking were discipline, focus and simple execution (along with some questionable desicions with the QB situation). I firmly beleive that with the return of Cut these are things that will be corrected in a hurry. Cut is a perfectionist and will not allow his players to continue the slop we saw on offense this year.

 

[WA_Vol]

Man, for a thread titled "Will / can Fulmer turn it around..." there seems to be a lot of b.s. about former coaches 40 years ago. Hell if I were interested in history I'd go back another 40, 50, 60 years.

CAN'T WE SIMPLY FOCUS ON WHAT FULMER WILL OR CAN DO IN 2006. Of course, if you insist in reviewing, comparing, matching...etc. 40 year old stuff please continue. I don't believe it has a damn thing to do with the CURRENT UT situation, but I suppose it makes you feel better. How that works, is beyond me. But that's your issue. To those involved, how will UT do in 1988? If that's too boring how about 1976? Now that should really spawn some interest.

Amen.

So since you dont want to talk about how Fulmer compares to the other 2 previous head coaches, I guess no one else should talk about it either. God forbid anyone in here talk about something that doesn't interest you. What the heck we're people in here thinking.

 

[U-T]

What the heck we're people in here thinking.

Question I have asked myself a lot

 

[rockydoc]

Man, for a thread titled "Will / can Fulmer turn it around..." there seems to be a lot of b.s. about former coaches 40 years ago. Hell if I were interested in history I'd go back another 40, 50, 60 years.

CAN'T WE SIMPLY FOCUS ON WHAT FULMER WILL OR CAN DO IN 2006. Of course, if you insist in reviewing, comparing, matching...etc. 40 year old stuff please continue. I don't believe it has a damn thing to do with the CURRENT UT situation, but I suppose it makes you feel better. How that works, is beyond me. But that's your issue. To those involved, how will UT do in 1988? If that's too boring how about 1976? Now that should really spawn some interest.

Amen.

"Ignore the past and you are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past......"
(Shakesphere, Churchill, Socrates. Gilligan or somebody once said this)

 

[RealVol]

Hey didn't mean to cross those locked in on Fulmer vs Majors vs Battle vs whatever other UT Coach they care to look at.

Go for it...can't see that helping the current situation one darn bit but waste your time on whatever. To me it would be more revelant to comapre how Fulmer is vs SOS, but that as well is off thread focus.. At least something in the 90's or even in the 2000's would be more interesting . I just want to UT Football to progress and get beyond the 60's philosophy the Staff appears to be stuck on...evidently so are a few fans.

Go Vols for in 2006, UT has got too much talent, too much Football tradition, too much fan support, too many resources and problems are too many to review 40 year old unanswerable in house coaching debates. At least can't we move into the 2000's, now that it is 2006?

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Hey didn't mean to cross those locked in on Fulmer vs Majors vs Battle vs whatever other UT Coach they care to look at.

Go for it...can't see that helping the current situation one darn bit but waste your time on whatever. To me it would be more revelant to comapre how Fulmer is vs SOS, but that as well is off thread focus.. At least something in the 90's or even in the 2000's would be more interesting . I just want to UT Football to progress and get beyond the 60's philosophy the Staff appears to be stuck on...evidently so are a few fans.

Go Vols for in 2006, UT has got too much talent, too much Football tradition, too much fan support, too many resources and problems are too many to review 40 year old unanswerable in house coaching debates. At least can't we move into the 2000's, now that it is 2006?

Agree 100%. :thumbsup:

 

[MachiaVolli]

"The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him."

 

[hohenfelsvol]

"The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him."

Great quote. That does say alot. Having to change those that make it to the trusted circle is not an easy thing. But needs to be done from time to time.

 

[RealVol]

Constant evaluation after initial selection only improves the group as well.

Signed by:
Dr. Real Phil

 

[wilburnVol]

IMO yes he can and yes he will. The talent is obviously there and the things that were lacking were discipline, focus and simple execution (along with some questionable desicions with the QB situation). I firmly beleive that with the return of Cut these are things that will be corrected in a hurry. Cut is a perfectionist and will not allow his players to continue the slop we saw on offense this year.

"Mister Trouble never hangs around
When he hears this Mighty sound.

"Here I come to save the day"

That means that Mighty Cut is on his way.
Yes sir, when there is a wrong to right
Mighty Cut will join the fight.
On the sea or on the land,
He gets the situation well in hand."

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