Can / will Fulmer turn it around...

[wilburnVol]

Man, for a thread titled "Will / can Fulmer turn it around..." there seems to be a lot of b.s. about former coaches 40 years ago. Hell if I were interested in history I'd go back another 40, 50, 60 years.

CAN'T WE SIMPLY FOCUS ON WHAT FULMER WILL OR CAN DO IN 2006. Of course, if you insist in reviewing, comparing, matching...etc. 40 year old stuff please continue. I don't believe it has a damn thing to do with the CURRENT UT situation, but I suppose it makes you feel better. How that works, is beyond me. But that's your issue. To those involved, how will UT do in 1988? If that's too boring how about 1976? Now that should really spawn some interest.

Amen.

WOW. Thank you for your permissions and validations.

(placing gun in holster, removing from temple)

ps. I know the answers about '76 and '88 but I'm not telling you. Validated or not. :wassup:

 

[RealVol]

I will NEVER congratulate UF, but I will have to admit Urban has changed his offensive philosophy / scheme & certainly adjusted to his personnel. That my friends is NOT a good sign for UT. UF is having the best recruiting season of anyone in the SEC...probably the Nation. UM is a good coach and has basically built programs from the ground up. Not just built them, but DEVELOPED them to National recognition.

UGA is also having an outstanding year recruiting & Richt in my opinion is a far more innovative coach than Fulmer. And let's face it, he's done a great job "rebuilding" his squad from an NFL raided team this past year.

And need I even mention the effect SOS has on CPF?

IMO if Coach Fulmer (& HIS Staff) can't prove on the fiels THIS year, they can turn this mossed over, slow, unimagative, stagnant & pathetically unproductive offense around, UT Fans best brace for a LOOONG decade. AND THAT'S JUST IN THE SECE....

My friends there are no more excuses that should be accepted!

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I will NEVER congratulate UF, but I will have to admit Urban has changed his offensive philosophy / scheme & certainly adjusted to his personnel. That my friends is NOT a good sign for UT. UF is having the best recruiting season of anyone in the SEC...probably the Nation. UM is a good coach and has basically built programs from the ground up. Not just built them, but DEVELOPED them to National recognition.

UGA is also having an outstanding year recruiting & Richt in my opinion is a far more innovative coach than Fulmer. And let's face it, he's done a great job "rebuilding" his squad from an NFL raided team this past year.

And need I even mention the effect SOS has on CPF?

IMO if Coach Fulmer (& HIS Staff) can't prove on the fiels THIS year, they can turn this mossed over, slow, unimagative, stagnant & pathetically unproductive offense around, UT Fans best brace for a LOOONG decade. AND THAT'S JUST IN THE SECE....

My friends there are no more excuses that should be accepted!

I share you concern but if you want to look on the bright side consider that last year we crushed a ranked bowl opponent, had an awesome recruiting year and entered the preseason with a tip 3 ranking and we still sucked. If it can happen to us it can happen to the Gators. UGA will struggle with a new QB next year. Spurrier pulled some upsets this year but next year everyone will be ready for him and he will have a very young team next year.

 

[RealVol]

Wilburn...

Thanks, one of these days maybe you can review what exactly happened in '76 & '88. Geez....I wonder who was the Coach? I'm postive most recruits nowadays are hanging on edge for the answer. Pls, pls, pls don't take that seriously.

Just joking. Right now I could care a damn less about 76, 88. (1876 OR 1888). Let's see major (not Majors) improvement in 2006!

 

[savageorange]

I share you concern but if you want to look on the bright side consider that last year we crushed a ranked bowl opponent, had an awesome recruiting year and entered the preseason with a tip 3 ranking and we still sucked. If it can happen to us it can happen to the Gators. UGA will struggle with a new QB next year. Spurrier pulled some upsets this year but next year everyone will be ready for him and he will have a very young team next year.

k: AMEN TO THAT, Hillbilly! post on bro, post on!!

 

[WA_Vol]

Anyone notice after going 9-3 and getting blown-out in a bowl game Coker at Miami goes in and fires 4 assistant coaches???

Lets see we go 5-6 and fire 2 and have 1 resign.

Obviously Coker doesnt need to wait until the programs reaches bottom to make needed changes.

No need for Fulmer though to make changes in the secondary coaching, or special teams I guess.

I wonder if Coker is going to promote their tight end coach to one of the new positions after their great season? Probably not.

 

[WA_Vol]

I will NEVER congratulate UF, but I will have to admit Urban has changed his offensive philosophy / scheme & certainly adjusted to his personnel. That my friends is NOT a good sign for UT. UF is having the best recruiting season of anyone in the SEC...probably the Nation. UM is a good coach and has basically built programs from the ground up. Not just built them, but DEVELOPED them to National recognition.

UGA is also having an outstanding year recruiting & Richt in my opinion is a far more innovative coach than Fulmer. And let's face it, he's done a great job "rebuilding" his squad from an NFL raided team this past year.

And need I even mention the effect SOS has on CPF?

IMO if Coach Fulmer (& HIS Staff) can't prove on the fiels THIS year, they can turn this mossed over, slow, unimagative, stagnant & pathetically unproductive offense around, UT Fans best brace for a LOOONG decade. AND THAT'S JUST IN THE SECE....

My friends there are no more excuses that should be accepted!

Yeah I agree. Meyer changes his scheme when it doesnt work, instead of doing the exact same scheme year after year when it isnt working. With Fulmer we dont have to worry about him doing anything crazy like that, like try to find a scheme that works.

I think what this spells for Fulmer is 3rd in the sec east behind georgia and florida.

I think what the fulmer apologists have to ask themselves is this. Are you going to be contend with finishing third in the sec most years??

 

[MachiaVolli]

Obviously Coker doesnt need to wait until the programs reaches bottom to make needed changes.

Either that or he learned a valuable lesson from us.

 

[rockydoc]

Yeah I agree. Meyer changes his scheme when it doesnt work, instead of doing the exact same scheme year after year when it isnt working. With Fulmer we dont have to worry about him doing anything crazy like that, like try to find a scheme that works.

I think what this spells for Fulmer is 3rd in the sec east behind georgia and florida.

I think what the fulmer apologists have to ask themselves is this. Are you going to be contend with finishing third in the sec most years??

Oklavol, the answer to that is yes as long they have 1998 is in their memory and as long as we occassionally have a lucky year as 2004. Even they must realize now we cannot compete with the Ritches, Spurriors and Meyers in the East.

 

[hhsterriers]

Oklavol, the answer to that is yes as long they have 1998 is in their memory and as long as we occassionally have a lucky year as 2004. Even they must realize now we cannot compete with the Ritches, Spurriors and Meyers in the East.

Frankly if Fulmer does not win in 06 he will be fired. He may be gone @ 7-4 or less. But love em or hate him he better work his, his staff's and his players ass off like never before, because that is what its gonna take for him to have a chance to save his job and continue as the leader of the program. The bottom line is winning championships and he hasn't won anything since 1998.

 

[WA_Vol]

Frankly if Fulmer does not win in 06 he will be fired. He may be gone @ 7-4 or less. But love em or hate him he better work his, his staff's and his players ass off like never before, because that is what its gonna take for him to have a chance to save his job and continue as the leader of the program. The bottom line is winning championships and he hasn't won anything since 1998.

that would be the case if rationale minds prevailed. With the fulmer apologists, though i'm afraid its going to take a lot more then that. they still believe fulmer is one of the top 5 coaches in the country.

 

[hhsterriers]

that would be the case if rationale minds prevailed. With the fulmer apologists, though i'm afraid its going to take a lot more then that. they still believe fulmer is one of the top 5 coaches in the country.

You know Fulmer probably could survive if @ least he had top caliber assistants but his staff has been just plain incompetent. Even with Cut and a couple of other new hires its kinda of a day late and a dime short. When I look around the SEC today, especially the SEC East, the coaching has improved quite a bit the last few years. Fulmer is a pretty good salesman but that is not gonna cut it going forward.

 

[WA_Vol]

You know Fulmer probably could survive if @ least he had top caliber assistants but his staff has been just plain incompetent. Even with Cut and a couple of other new hires its kinda of a day late and a dime short. When I look around the SEC today, especially the SEC East, the coaching has improved quite a bit the last few years. Fulmer is a pretty good salesman but that is not gonna cut it going forward.

To me in a nutshell thats what happened to Fulmer. He didnt change what he was doing, everyone else changed what they were doing.

Back in 98 Fulmer was the second best in coach in the SEC behind Spurrier, and UT was the 2nd best program.

In 05 Fulmer has probably the 3th best program in the SEC behing Richt, Tubberville's programs and he is probably is going to be sliding to 5th behind Meyer at Florida, and Miles at LSU. Spurrier at SC will continue to probably give him problems.

The coaching in this league has got dramatically better. Yet Fulmer continues to do the same thing. Same scheme, same formations, yet he expects a different result.

 

[JasonCajun]

To me in a nutshell thats what happened to Fulmer. He didnt change what he was doing, everyone else changed what they were doing.

Back in 98 Fulmer was the second best in coach in the SEC behind Spurrier, and UT was the 2nd best program.

In 05 Fulmer has probably the 3th best program in the SEC behing Richt, Tubberville's programs and he is probably is going to be sliding to 5th behind Meyer at Florida, and Miles at LSU. Spurrier at SC will continue to probably give him problems.

The coaching in this league has got dramatically better. Yet Fulmer continues to do the same thing. Same scheme, same formations, yet he expects a different result.

Basically the bottom line is that if you are in a competitive environment, be it sports or business, and you are not progressing, changing, moving forward, looking for a edge, then you are regressing as your competitors are looking to get better. Fulmer has rested on his 98 championship and we've run the same system since then and the other teams have not only caught up but passed us. It bothers me that Fulmer has to make changes out of fear of losing his job and not because he is hungry to win.

 

[hhsterriers]

I don't think Fulmer is stupid, he must see the competiton getting better. Is it arrogance on his part, you know win an NC and I don't have to work any more.

 

[MachiaVolli]

To me in a nutshell thats what happened to Fulmer. He didnt change what he was doing, everyone else changed what they were doing.

"The one who adapts his policy to the times prospers, and likewise that the one whose policy clashes with the demands of the times does not."

 

[rockydoc]

I don't think Fulmer is stupid, he must see the competiton getting better. Is it arrogance on his part, you know win an NC and I don't have to work any more.

(The Emperor has no Clothes). All little despots surround themselves with "yes-men" who are afraid to give them objective advice. Eventually their protective shield is removed and their dyanasty comes crumbling down. If Fulmer had a trustworthy advisor such as a Larry Lacewell he would have never hired Sanders or he would have fired him after 1999!

 

[JasonCajun]

"The one who adapts his policy to the times prospers, and likewise that the one whose policy clashes with the demands of the times does not."

What are you, some kind of quote generator?

 

[MachiaVolli]

What are you, some kind of quote generator?

Kind sir, that all depends on the answer to this question, are you a quote generator hater and if so, what do you do to them?

 

[WA_Vol]

I don't think Fulmer is stupid, he must see the competiton getting better. Is it arrogance on his part, you know win an NC and I don't have to work any more.

I agree with you, he's obviously an intelligent guy.

I tend to think Fulmer doesnt change the scheme/philosophy on offense cause he doesnt know any other. Thats what Fulmer knows the best, so thats what we are going to get. I dont think he is willing to go somewhere else and learn a new scheme or approach and bring it back to UT.

I think winning the NC in 98, made him believe this scheme/offense works and he doesnt need to change. Even though he's had a 7 yr drought on sec championships he did make it to the sec champ. game twice.

I think what is really needed is some complexity to the offense. One of the titans scouts in an article a couple of weeks ago said the same thing. They were helping UT implement the tight end, but they didnt implement any of the nuiances or wrinkles that the titans used. Just the vanilla, basic stuff.

 

[WA_Vol]

Kind sir, that all depends on the answer to this question, are you a quote generator hater and if so, what do you do to them?

i like the quotes. a lot more depth there then pictures of babies crying.

 

[JasonCajun]

Kind sir, that all depends on the answer to this question, are you a quote generator hater and if so, what do you do to them?

Shackles and chains, locked in stocks, public floggings, tar and feathers, guillotines, hangings, firing squads, pick your poison. If we are in a really pissy mood, we will make you watch the 2005 football season again. But since I like your quotes, you're safe for now.

 

[MachiaVolli]

Shackles and chains, locked in stocks, public floggings, tar and feathers, guillotines, hangings, firing squads, pick your poison.

For once, I'm a bit confused. When you say "pick your poison", is that actually an option? If so, I choose that.

i like the quotes. a lot more depth there then pictures of babies crying.

Danke Oklavol. I'm just trying to be a little different. I didn't get enough attention as a child. As for pics of crying babies, you will receive none from me. My baby pics don't include crying.

 

[hhsterriers]

(The Emperor has no Clothes). All little despots surround themselves with "yes-men" who are afraid to give them objective advice. Eventually their protective shield is removed and their dyanasty comes crumbling down. If Fulmer had a trustworthy advisor such as a Larry Lacewell he would have never hired Sanders or he would have fired him after 1999!

I knew Sanders was a mistake from the get go, but the game @ Florida in 99 was the first major sign and @ Arkansas later on that year sealed it for me. It was obvious he really didn't know what he was doing. That 99 squad had more talent and experience than 98. The coaching staff layed a huge egg that year and Fulmer stood by and did nothing. Did you hear about Meyer, he held their plane on the tarmac after their South Carolina loss to address the team. He told his players he was fed up with personal agendas, ie, NFL future ect., you either put out or you are on the bench or outta here.

 

[WA_Vol]

I knew Sanders was a mistake from the get go, but the game @ Florida in 99 was the first major sign and @ Arkansas later on that year sealed it for me. It was obvious he really didn't know what he was doing. That 99 squad had more talent and experience than 98. The coaching staff layed a huge egg that year and Fulmer stood by and did nothing. Did you hear about Meyer, he held their plane on the tarmac after their South Carolina loss to address the team. He told his players he was fed up with personal agendas, ie, NFL future ect., you either put out or you are on the bench or outta here.

Thats a good point. That pitch to Jamaal on 4th and 1 at Florida in 99 when the game was on the line, was so WEAK. Your right, a better coach would have addressed the issues then.