Can / will Fulmer turn it around...

[allvol]

But for a few plays, USC would be 8-3, Texas a more solid 11-1, and Penn State 7-4.

Last year, USC could easily have been 7-4 instead of 12-0 at the conclusion of the regular season. That includes nail-biters versus 6-5 Oregon St, 6-5 UCLA, and 4-7 Stanford. 12-0 Oklahoma could easily have been 8-3... including possible losses to 4-7 Kansas State, 7-4 Okla.St, and 7-4 Texas A&M.

And yes, the Vols could easily have been 3-8... it goes both ways... but the good teams find ways to win even when they are not at their best. It is within reason for this past years Vols team to have been anywhere from 3-8 to 9-2.

And what is this fetish you have for sheep Patrick?

 

[smokedog#3]

we will be alittle better next year in my opinion. 7-4 sounds about right. questions about QB and O-line need to be answered. it will take a couple of years atleast before tennessee can bounce back. i don't think fulmer has that long though.

 

[RealVol]

Sounds like some need to take a chill break. My point is this: it's long over due for a change on the hill.

UT's been lucky too many times escaping with a slim victory against lesser talent. Worse yet many of those lucky wins (some losses) were at Neyland w 100,000 UT Fans seeing a pathetic performance from the players & a more embarrassing performance by our coaches.

I'm resigned to the fact CPF should have replaced some of his staff long before this season's complete meltdown. Of course next year will be better I really don't believe any staff can't improve over this season.

 

[patrick]

usc wins this year
2005 USC Football Schedule

Day Date Opponent Location TV Time/Result
Sat 09/03/05 Hawai'i Honolulu, Hi. ESPN2 W, 63-17
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Sat 09/17/05 Arkansas L.A. Coliseum FSN W, 70-17
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Sat 09/24/05 Oregon Eugene, Ore. ABC-TV W, 45-13
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Sat 10/01/05 Arizona State Tempe, Ariz. ABC-TV W, 38-28
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Sat 10/08/05 Arizona L.A. Coliseum FSN W, 42-21
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Sat 10/15/05 Notre Dame South Bend, Ind. NBC-TV W, 34-31
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Sat 10/22/05 Washington Seattle, Wash. ABC-TV W, 51-24
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Sat 10/29/05 Washington State (Homecoming) L.A. Coliseum ABC-TV W, 55-13
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Sat 11/05/05 Stanford L.A. Coliseum TBS W, 51-21
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Sat 11/12/05 California Berkeley, Calif. ABC W, 35-10
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Sat 11/19/05 Fresno State L.A. Coliseum FSN W, 50-42
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Sat 12/03/05 UCLA L.A. Coliseum ABC W, 66-19
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2005 Schedule and Results
Date Day Opponent Location Time/Result TV Info
Sept. 3 Sat. Louisiana-Lafayette Austin, TX
(Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium) W, 60-3
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Sept. 10 Sat. Ohio State Columbus, OH
(Ohio Stadium) W, 25-22 ABC Recap | Box
Sept. 17 Sat. Rice Austin, TX
(Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium) W, 51-10 FSN Recap | Box
· Presented by Pacificare
· Alumni Band Day
Oct. 1 Sat. Missouri Columbia, MO
(Faurot Field at Memorial Stadium) W, 51-20 ABC Recap | Box
Oct. 8 Sat. Oklahoma Dallas, TX
(Cotton Bowl) W, 45-12 ABC Recap | Box
· SBC Red River Rivalry
Oct. 15 Sat. Colorado Austin, TX
(Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium) W, 42-17 ABC Recap | Box
· Presented by PowerBar
· Distinguished Alumni Weekend
Oct. 22 Sat. Texas Tech Austin, TX
(Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium) W, 52-17 ABC Recap | Box
· Presented by UFCU
Oct. 29 Sat. Oklahoma State Stillwater, OK
(Boone Pickens Stadium) W, 47-28 TBS Recap | Box
Nov. 5 Sat. Baylor Waco, TX
(Floyd Casey Stadium) W, 62-0 FSN Recap | Box
Nov. 12 Sat. Kansas Austin, TX
(Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium) W, 66-14 ABC Recap | Box
· Presented by SBC
· Veterans Recognition Day; Longhorns Letterwinners Round-up; UT Athletics Hall of Honor Recognition
Nov. 25 Fri. Texas A&M College Station, TX
(Kyle Field)
W, 40-29 ABC Recap | Box
· State Farm Lone Star Showdown
Dec. 3 Sat. Colorado Houston, TX
(Reliant Stadium) W, 70-3 ABC Recap | Box
· Dr Pepper Big 12 Championship
Jan. 4, 2006 Wed. USC Pasadena, CA
(Rose Bowl) 7 p.m. CT ABC
· Rose Bowl Game - National Championship

Penn state

Saturday, September 3 South Florida Home W 23-13
Saturday, September 10 Cincinnati Home W 42-24
Saturday, September 17 Central Michigan Home W 40-3
Saturday, September 24 Northwestern Away W 34-29
Saturday, October 1 Minnesota Home W 44-14
Saturday, October 8 Ohio State Home W 17-10
Saturday, October 15 Michigan Away L 25-27
Saturday, October 22 Illinois Away W 63-10
Saturday, October 29 Purdue Homecoming Home W 33-15
Saturday, November 5 Wisconsin Home W 35-14
Saturday, November 19 Michigan State Away W 31-22

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't know what all that is supposed to say or prove, but good job on getting it all!!

 

[checkerboard_charly]

Originally posted by allvol@Dec 15, 2005 9:40 AM
discipline in the program?  you guys act like the team sucked overall this past season.  i seem to remember a defense that finished 12th in the NCAA.  some of the defensive players had off the field problems.... JUST LIKE EVERY SCHOOL IN THE NCAA.... but the defense still performed.  there is no huge overhaul that needs to take place.  the talent is there, and Cutcliffe was brought in because of his different approach and coaching style than Sanders.  Sanders wants to run the spread.... Cutcliffe is closer to what Fulmer likes to do.  Cutcliffe's attention to detail will get rid of the majority of mistakes on offense that seemed to kill drives.  the Vols will be okay next season.  expect them to make a championship run.  they are definately the most talented team returning in the East next season.

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allvol i like ur posts. everyone is informative, but u arent ALWAYS correct. we had major off the field troubles during the offseason. 12 arrests. 12. that is way up there.

sanders wants to run the spread? spread what? pass what? catch what? cut will run almost the exact same offense. EXACT SAME.

and ut is the most talented returning team in the east? maybe tied for first or even in second.

south carolina will be tough as nails next year. we lost all our front 7 except harrell and he still may go. we have alot of work to do to win anything next year. and california is no UAB.

 

[WA_Vol]

No I dont think Fulmer turns it around.

Back when Fulmer was winning an NC he was the 2nd best coach in the League. Now he is about the 4th best in the league. Richt, Tubberville, Spurrier have all proven themselves to be a better coach. Miles and Meyer may also end up outcoaching Fulmer before they are done.

Thats where we will usually finish I think, about 4th in the League. I think realistically next year with a red shirt freshman QB or a QB completing less then 50% of his passes is around 7-4, 8-3 tops. For the Fulmer apologists, thats probably enough to keep his job.

 

[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 16, 2005 11:01 AM
No I dont think Fulmer turns it around.

Back when Fulmer was winning an NC he was the 2nd best coach in the League.  Now he is about the 4th best in the league.  Richt, Tubberville, Spurrier have all proven themselves to be a better coach.  Miles and Meyer may also end up outcoaching Fulmer before they are done.

Thats where we will usually finish I think, about  4th in the League.  I think realistically next year with a red shirt freshman QB or a QB completing less then 50% of his passes is around 7-4, 8-3 tops.  For the Fulmer apologists, thats probably enough to keep his job.

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Tubberville is a better coach than Fulmer??? Tubberville was all but fired, and then came back to win the NC with the help of Cadillac, Ronnie, and Jason Campbell...and Fulmer still almost beat them with Rick Clausen and Gerald Riggs in the SEC Championship Game. With Auburns talent they should have beaten us by at least 25, they beat us by 10 in a game that was much closer than that.

Urban Meyer will be a complete bust, as he is a supposed offensive genius, and his 500 yard offense that he ran on Mountain West and MAC teams, has failed to average greater than 250 yards in the SEC.

Fulmer is one of the top 5 coaches in the nation, easy!

 

[checkerboard_charly]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 10:13 AM
Tubberville is a better coach than Fulmer???  Tubberville was all but fired, and then came back to win the NC with the help of Cadillac, Ronnie, and Jason Campbell...and Fulmer still almost beat them with Rick Clausen and Gerald Riggs in the SEC Championship Game.  With Auburns talent they should have beaten us by at least 25, they beat us by 10 in a game that was much closer than that.

Urban Meyer will be a complete bust, as he is a supposed offensive genius, and his 500 yard offense that he ran on Mountain West and MAC teams, has failed to average greater than 250 yards in the SEC.

Fulmer is one of the top 5 coaches in the nation, easy!

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lay off the weed dude.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 11:13 AM
Tubberville is a better coach than Fulmer???  Tubberville was all but fired, and then came back to win the NC with the help of Cadillac, Ronnie, and Jason Campbell...and Fulmer still almost beat them with Rick Clausen and Gerald Riggs in the SEC Championship Game.  With Auburns talent they should have beaten us by at least 25, they beat us by 10 in a game that was much closer than that.

Urban Meyer will be a complete bust, as he is a supposed offensive genius, and his 500 yard offense that he ran on Mountain West and MAC teams, has failed to average greater than 250 yards in the SEC.

Fulmer is one of the top 5 coaches in the nation, easy!

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If Fulmer is a better coach then Tubberville then why is his record against at Auburn 1-2? Meyer has already beat Fulmer once.

 

[patrick]

not many one play wins or losses on those results

 

[RealVol]

I hate to say it but I too have my doubts Fulmer can turn it around. Let's face it, he "inherited" a major football schools head coaching position w coaches already in place. With UT's talent and some lucky breaks, he's certainly had some impressive seasons. But he's never really been challenaged to tweak his staff much. And the way I see it, he's been too stubborn to change even when it's been obvious UT's underperformed & had become stagnant offensively. He's unwisely retained a few I felt should have been reassigned or motivated to seek employment elsewhere. The only major ruffle in his staff was when Cut departed to Ole Miss. and Fulmer appointed R.S. to replace him.

With repeated underperforming squads, CPF did nothing to improve his Staff. Especially on offense. Frankly the only reason I see he fired several of his coaches this year was R.S. resigning & fan outrage finally became real enough to force a change. CPF has never rebuilt, built or even come close to creating a Staff from the ground up.

I will have to agree with others here, it appears CPF is no better than 3rd-4th best coach in the SEC. I look forward to him proving me wrong.

 

[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by patrick@Dec 16, 2005 11:37 AM
not many one play wins or losses on those results

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First, Fulmer is 0-3 against Auburn in the past 3 years. That being said, 2 of those games were more than winnable if it wasn't for 4th quarter turnovers, and all three were against Cadillac, Ronnie, and Jason Campbell. We lost 34-10 to Auburn during the regular season in 2004. The other 2 games, regular season 2003 and 2004 SEC championship we lost 28-21 and 38-28 respectively. We were down by 3 to Auburn in the 4th last year, we turned it over and they scored a late TD to clinch it.

 

[sonofajohn]

More on the Fulmer vs Tuberville matchup. Fulmer is 3-3 against Tuberville...Tuberville without Al Borges running his offense stacked with Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and Jason Campbell, is 1-3 against Fulmer.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 12:14 PM
More on the Fulmer vs Tuberville matchup.  Fulmer is 3-3 against Tuberville...Tuberville without Al Borges running his offense stacked with Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and Jason Campbell, is 1-3 against Fulmer.

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We were talking Fulmer vs Tubberville AT AUBURN.

Tubberville never had anything close to the talent Fulmer had when he was at Ole Miss. But since he's at Auburn he's owned Fulmer.

 

[sonofajohn]

We were talking Fulmer vs Tubberville AT AUBURN.

Tubberville never had anything close to the talent Fulmer had when he was at Ole Miss. But since he's at Auburn he's owned Fulmer.

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In the case of qualifying our opinions and statistics, then Fulmer is 1-0 against Tuberville with equal talent (1999.) Other than that, Tuberville has taken a team with 3 NFL draftees (2 first rounders) in the backfield and beaten a UT team with 1 NFL draftee in the backfield (and none on the O line.) After making that clarification, Fulmer has never lost to Tuberville...using your twisted logic of course.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 12:29 PM
In the case of qualifying our opinions and statistics, then Fulmer is 1-0 against Tuberville with equal talent (1999.)  Other than that, Tuberville has taken a team with 3 NFL draftees (2 first rounders) in the backfield and beaten a UT team with 1 NFL draftee in the backfield (and none on the O line.)  After making that clarification, Fulmer has never lost to Tuberville...using your twisted logic of course.

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I believe you said Fulmer was 0-3 against Tubberville at Auburn. If anything Fulmer has had more talent then Tubberville, check rivals, Auburn has never had recruiting classes ranked as highly as Fulmers.

 

[wilburnVol]

We were talking Fulmer vs Tubberville AT AUBURN.

Tubberville never had anything close to the talent Fulmer had when he was at Ole Miss. But since he's at Auburn he's owned Fulmer.

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In the case of qualifying our opinions and statistics, then Fulmer is 1-0 against Tuberville with equal talent (1999.) Other than that, Tuberville has taken a team with 3 NFL draftees (2 first rounders) in the backfield and beaten a UT team with 1 NFL draftee in the backfield (and none on the O line.) After making that clarification, Fulmer has never lost to Tuberville...using your twisted logic of course.

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Kind sir, would you please post your statistics proving the equality of the 1999 teams?

Do you have any statistics proving that Randy Sanders sucked this year?

your friend,

luv wilburn

 

[jakez4ut]

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[OrangeEmpire]

:mf_surrender: :victory: :bash: :mf_surrender: :fworks: eace2: eace: :withstupid:

 

[smokedog#3]

i agree with oklavol. fulmer is around the 5th best coach in the sec and probably 4th in the east alone. fulmer will not be able to turn this mess around right away it will take 2 to 3 years maybe longer. i really don't think he will survive that long, but that all has to play out. i've said it for 5 years as long as fulmer is at UT we will not win another SEC championship. he is outcoached consistantly by the better coaches. proof this year when georgia and south carolina come into knoxville and beat us. he had every chance to fix this mess years ago and did nothing. if he was at most other football powerhouses he would have already have lost his job. sono i'm alot more optomistic about florida and auburn's future than the big orange right now. for you saying fulmer is a top 5 coach in the nation, you have your opinions and i respect that, but i have to disagree. any other part of the country when you talk about fulmer they laugh. my buddy is an iowa fan and he was hoping they would get a chance at tennessee this year in a bowl game. he knows there coach would find a way to destroy us. fulmer and tennessee don't strike fear into any big programs any more. we have lost our respectability. his record alone against top 10 opponets says it all.

 

[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by smokedog#3@Dec 16, 2005 1:14 PM
i agree with oklavol.  fulmer is around the 5th best coach in the sec and probably 4th in the east alone.  fulmer will not be able to turn this mess around right away it will take 2 to 3 years maybe longer.  i really don't think he will survive that long,  but that all has to play out.  i've said it for 5 years as long as fulmer is at UT we will not win another SEC championship.  he is outcoached consistantly by the better coaches.  proof this year when georgia and south carolina come into knoxville and beat us.  he had every chance to fix this mess years ago and did nothing.  if he was at most other football powerhouses he would have already have lost his job.  sono i'm alot more optomistic about florida and auburn's future than the big orange right now.  for you saying fulmer is a top 5 coach in the nation,  you have your opinions and i respect that,  but i have to disagree.  any other part of the country when you talk about fulmer they laugh.  my buddy is an iowa fan and he was hoping they would get a chance at tennessee this year in a bowl game.  he knows there coach would find a way to destroy us.  fulmer and tennessee don't strike fear into any big programs any more.  we have lost our respectability.  his record alone against top 10 opponets says it all.

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Florida hasn't won 9 games since 2000. As for you comment about your Iowa friend, Fulmer has seven 10-win seasons in 12 years, Iowa has less than five 10-win seasons in their history. Also, with Fulmers record against the Big 10 in Bowl Games, I would have loved to see us beat the Hawkeyes...in short, your friend doesn't know what he is talking about. Fulmer has the second highest winning percentage among active coaches, and he has done it in arguably the toughest conference in college football.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 12:38 PM
Florida hasn't won 9 games since 2000.  As for you comment about your Iowa friend, Fulmer has seven 10-win seasons in 12 years, Iowa has less than five 10-win seasons in their history.  Also, with Fulmers record against the Big 10 in Bowl Games, I would have loved to see us beat the Hawkeyes...in short, your friend doesn't know what he is talking about.  Fulmer has the second highest winning percentage among active coaches, and he has done it in arguably the toughest conference in college football.

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In your defense of Fulmer's performance you failed to address smokedog's reference to top 10 opponents. That was conveniently left out.

 

[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 16, 2005 1:44 PM
In your defense of Fulmer's performance you failed to address smokedog's reference to top 10 opponents. That was conveniently left out.

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Well, it is almost impossible to find stats on coaches performance against top 10 teams, especially since the number is pretty much arbitrary with no other coaches to compare to. But, since everybody pretty much crowns Spurrier the best coach in the SEC, I decided to compare Fulmer's record against the top 10 against Spurriers. However, all I could find is Spurriers road record against top 10 teams (3-8-1.) Fulmer is 8-9 against top 10 opponents on the road, almost double Spurrier's winning percentage (47% to 25%) Fulmer's overall record win % against top 10 teams is 38%, which would mean that for Spurriers percentage against top 10 teams to be better than Fulmer's he would have to had won over 50% of the home games he coached against the top 10, a daunting task. Coaches don't have better than 50% wins against top 10 teams...that is why these teams are in the top 10. Essentially, what that 38% means, is that about 1 out of every 3 games that Fulmer faces a much better team, he wins.

 

[smokedog#3]

always is dizzy when it comes to people who are fulmer supporters. sono what is fulmer winning percentage since 2001, i don't know what it is but i know it is not good. he has never been good against top 10 teams, actually his record against the top 10 is terrible. what is iowa's record since 2001 i bet you it is better than tennessee's. iowa would have crushed us this year, we couldn't even beat vandy. come on you have to be realistic. iowa has also been to more bcs games than us since 98. i'm not just talking about iowa fans either i travel alot, almost all the big ten, pac 10 and acc fans would love to get a piece of us. and yes they all have the same reply, fulmer is a joke, great recruitier bad coach. i can't comment on big 12 fans, don't have any friends out there so i don't go there. like i said before tennessee don't scare anybody, and why should they if your a good team. fulmers record against the top ten speaks for itself.